Don't forget about the 8 times he's been picked off that don't count towards that number.

 

Yes it does.

It starts with the Sox.  Good defense is just another obstacle they have to overcome.  KC played some real poor defense in the last series, but we just made stupider decisions and played even worse defense.

 

Not to mention the bang up job by the pitching staff.

Yes it does.

He is correct, yes it does.

Yes it does.

 

Caught stealing totals don't include pickoffs if the player was headed back to the base.

Yes it does.

Not if he going back to first. There are between 5 and 10 of those. 8 is pretty close if not exact.

Caught stealing totals don't include pickoffs if the player was headed back to the base.

 

I should have been more clear, my fault.

It might be nice if our hitters would take a pitch and make this kid work. Arow, Uribe and others are swinging at the first pitch. There was an inning earlier where it was 2 pitches and 2 outs.

Jon is showing us something tonight, clearly he doesnt have his A+ stuff, but is battling and getting outs.

It might be nice if our hitters would take a pitch and make this kid work.  Arow, Uribe and others are swinging at the first pitch.  There was an inning earlier where it was 2 pitches and 2 outs.

Its an undisciplined offensive team. The manager was the same way when he played.

we're getting 2 hit by a rookie

Baker doesn't even have great control. We've been able to work the count on him and draw some walks when we're not weakly making outs on the first pitch.

we're getting 2 hit by a rookie

 

One hit into the outfield.

It's to a point where his CS are hurting us more than the SBs are helping us. Eventually, just let Scott get on base and use his speed not in stealing bases, but in getting from first to third on a single, putting on a hit-and-run, or scoring on a gapper.

 

I'm growing tired of all the outs made on the basepaths...

we're getting 2 hit by a rookie

They were 2 hit by a KC pitcher with an ERA over seven last homestand.

Top 9 in CLE

 

CLE 3

KC 1

I'm growing tired of all the outs made on the basepaths...

 

At some point, you just have to say enough already. If you want to put Pods in motion, then put the hit-and-run on. He isn't even coming close to stealing bases lately. I don't want to be rude about it, but Pods is an extremely below average player if he can't steal bases.

It might be nice if our hitters would take a pitch and make this kid work.  Arow, Uribe and others are swinging at the first pitch.  There was an inning earlier where it was 2 pitches and 2 outs.

Our offense is just not that good. If our pitching and Defense doesn't step it up were going to be looking at a humiliating offseason.

Edited September 17, 200520 yr by CYGarland

Here comes pitch 10 of this at bat

Our offnse is just not that good. If our pitching and Defense doesn't step it up were going to be looking at a humiliating offseason.

 

I'm honestly not worried about the offseason. If this team does choke down the stretch, then we deserve anything bad that happens to us. Just remember this: no one really cares about the Sox. I know a lot of people think the national media will bury this franchise. In all honesty, the biggest concern for me is that the fan reaction for next season would be just awful, and attendance would really suffer.

It's to a point where his CS are hurting us more than the SBs are helping us.  Eventually, just let Scott get on base and use his speed not in stealing bases, but in getting from first to third on a single, putting on a hit-and-run, or scoring on a gapper.

 

I'm growing tired of all the outs made on the basepaths...

He's 4 out of his last 12 with a couple of pick offs. Its time for a stop sign.

Here comes pitch 10 of this at bat

 

Pop up to 2nd

Grounder to 3rd base

Fly ball to LF

He's 4 out of his last 12 with a couple of pick offs. Its time for a stop sign.

 

Wasn't he pretty awful before that?

Leadoff 1B for Long Sweeney up

well at least Boston is losing 2-1. And Toronto is making a comeback, now 11-7.

Our offense is just not that good. If our pitching and Defense doesn't step it up were going to be looking at a humiliating offseason.

Frighteningly, our offense is actually not that bad, we're still like 12th or 13th in the league in runs scored. Not the Red Sox, but certainly not terrible.

 

The problem with our offense is that it is still hugely home-run driven...we're 3rd in teh AL in home runs, which is the antethisis of what Ozzie ball was supposed to be. We've been surprisingly bad this season at manufacturing runs against good pitching. When you look at a team like the Angels, who have scored virtually the same number of runs as us, they've done it with far fewer home runs, but a lot more base hits.

 

Our guys are swinging for the fences. When pitchers throw balls that they can hit, it works like dynamite. But when the pitcher moves things around and keeps our guys off balance, they look really bad, because they just have not been good at manufacturing things.