AnthraxFan93 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 We still don't know that. The best rumor right now is that it's ARow, Haigwood, and a Player to be named later...the only source I've heard thus far suggest Gio could be is Bruce Levine...and well...we should have the quote down by now. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think Gio would be apart of the deal, Much like Jose C and BMac were suppose to be apart of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 03:13 PM) I don't think Gio would be apart of the deal, Much like Jose C and BMac were suppose to be apart of it. I think for Gio to really be a part of it...later would have to be "Much later", as in later to the point that we know beyond any shadow of a doubt that Thome will be our starting DH on opening day and will play for us for at least a couple months without missing much time. I just can't imagine the guy who wouldn't move BMac being willing to move Gio without having some guarantee that the merchandise he's getting in return is solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 QUOTE(FlaCWS @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 10:57 PM) I'm not sure how this is a good trade at all. After winning the World Series because of PITCHING and DEFENSE we give up an above average centerfielder for a full-time DH? Did the Carlos Lee trade teach us nothing? Plus, does this mean Konerko is definitely gone? If so, we now have zero defense at 1B and a guy who strikes out a billion times. He hits a ton of HRs? So what, so did Carlos and Mags, and guess where that got us. This deal makes no sense to me after what Kenny did with this team last year. None. When Carlos and Maggs were here we didn't have the pitching. We had a black hole that sucked the life out of our White Sox, and it was scheduled every fifth day. KW hasn't sacrificed our rotation, and the bullpen will stay mostly intact. He accepted a defensive downgrade at one position to improve the offense. And if it's Anderson, our defense will still be good, just perhaps a bit diminished. Are you really arguing that we don't need offense, that pitching and defense are enough? How many games are we gonna win if we play only that side of the game? And whatever one might think about Konerko, or whatever 'promising signs' are being reported, there's no guarantee whatsoever that he'll return to the Sox. We had an abysmally weak offense last season (at least, for many stretches in that season -- loooong stretches), and we're looking at losing by far our best hitter. And we shouldn't consider trading some defense for a player who has long been one of the best hitters in the majors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Personally, I hate the deal. I don't like trading favorite players. But for the team, its a good deal. I didn't vote, but thats my answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 As long as Jim is healthy, this is going to be a great acquisition for the price we got him for. Now the Sox need to bring Paulie back into the loop and we will be looking really good for 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 I voted no just bcoz its Rowand and I liked how he played CF for us. Im always amazed how Hunter played CF for the Twins and I think Aaron was close to that for us. Also why would Gio be the PTBNL? I think that's giving up too much for a 35 year old? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 I really like this deal. Hopefully Thome bounces back this year, but the Phillies are eating 22 million of his salary (looks like they think he's about finished). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(mr_genius @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 06:29 PM) I really like this deal. Hopefully Thome bounces back this year, but the Phillies are eating 22 million of his salary (looks like they think he's about finished). Not really, they had a pretty good player named Ryan Howard step up and win NL ROY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 06:08 PM) Not really, they had a pretty good player named Ryan Howard step up and win NL ROY. true. but 22 million is still a lot of salary to eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(mr_genius @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 07:19 PM) true. but 22 million is still a lot of salary to eat. I thought it was 24 Million? Yeah, it is a lot to eat, but you can't look at it at eating the contract, because they got 2 prospects and Rowand, and they already had Howard. Actually, when I look at the deal, this is a steal for the Sox: Thome's remaining contract: $12.5 Million - 2006 $14 Million - 2007 $14 Million - 2008 $13 Million - 2009 with Club Option $3 Million Buyout Phils pay $8 Million a year in the trade. Sox pay: $4.5 Million - 2006 $6 Million - 2007 $6 Million - 2008 $13 Million - 2009 with Club Option $3 Million Buyout Only 4.5 Million in 2006! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 (edited) Basically paying a million more a year, for a 40 +hr's 120 + rbi season ...if he's healthy. Not a bad move by all means, money wise and production wise. Edited November 24, 2005 by Soxpranos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 It is a decent trade in the short term. What the Sox needed was someone who could drive in RISP; they had too many men LOB in '05. They had no problem getting guys on, but knocking them in was the real issue. I fail to see how moving the one guy who was successful at that helps them with that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 they did get a pretty good package for including that 22 mil thou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Osuna Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 I believe Thome is washed-up. But I also believe that Rowand isn't going to ever match his 2004 offensive numbers. So I see this as kind of a wash. If Gio lights up the National League, then I think this will go down as a fairly bad trade. But I think he's too injury-prone to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 I hope to God , Gio is not involved. He looks like a Pedro Martinez from the left side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 06:23 PM) Actually, when I look at the deal, this is a steal for the Sox: Totally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Antonio Osuna @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 07:26 PM) I believe Thome is washed-up. But I also believe that Rowand isn't going to ever match his 2004 offensive numbers. So I see this as kind of a wash. If Gio lights up the National League, then I think this will go down as a fairly bad trade. But I think he's too injury-prone to do that. I don't think Thome is completely washed up. He is obviously not the same player he was 5 years ago, but he will be a huge upgrade at DH for the Sox. He will also have the ability to play first as needed. Edited November 24, 2005 by WinninUgly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Nov 24, 2005 -> 12:31 AM) I think Thome is completely washed up. He is obviously not the same player he was 5 years ago, but he will be a huge upgrade at DH for the Sox. He will also have the ability to play first as needed. umm look at his numbers from his rookie year all the way up to 2004 really consistant and 2005 is the only down year.... we all know why and we all know why that wont happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Sorry had a typo. Was reading the quote I was replying to. No he is not washed up. He is a very consistent player, and is a great player in the clubhouse. The Indians opening series just got cranked up another notch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 I voted "No." I liked getting Jim Thome. I think the Sox could have given up less. If you swapped out Sean Tracey for Gio Gonzalez, I'm OK with the deal. If you swapped out Josh Fields the 3B for Gio, I'm OK with the deal. If you swapped out Ray Liotta for Gio, I'm OK with the deal. But I just don't get giving up the Sox's TWO best pitching prospects (I don't consider BMac a prospect any more - he had 70 innings in MLB) for a guy the Phillies absolutely HAD to move, and that they could only trade to a handful of teams because of his N/T clause. IMHO, KW overpaid for Thome, and he could have gotten a better deal. Gio put up BMAC like stats in A ball last year and looked poised to succeed in B'ham. I think he's the real deal and would be the eventual replacement for whoever among Buehrle, Garland, or Garcia the Sox could not resign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 The Phillies had to give up a lot of cash to get those prospects though. The Sox leveraged the money with the prospects. So the Sox get a proven veteran lefty for 4.5, 6.0, and 6.0 million respectively over the next 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 This IMO is a good trade without question. And the folks that don't like it will come around, they are just very understandably saddened to lose such a great guy like Rowand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 07:47 PM) This IMO is a good trade without question. And the folks that don't like it will come around, they are just very understandably saddened to lose such a great guy like Rowand. You are correct. I am sad to see Aaron go, but getting Thome is huge for the Sox. I would hate to be the Indians right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 I like this deal as long as we can resign Konerko. Losing Konerko and Rowand while adding Thome doesn't make this team better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Also, IF we can keep Paulie and have Thome DH everyday (which IMO means he DEFINITELY stays healthy) I think this is a REALLY REALLY good trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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