Gene Honda Civic Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 QUOTE(T R U @ Apr 26, 2006 -> 11:25 PM) They could change the name to The Midwest 12 Better than being the Big 10 with 12 teams Nah It will just be the BIG TwelvEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyJesus69 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 iowa state adds nothing athletically to the big 10. more importantly, iowa state would add nothing academically to the conference. mizzou would at least bring in the st. louis market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted April 27, 2006 Author Share Posted April 27, 2006 QUOTE(BabyJesus69 @ Apr 27, 2006 -> 01:32 AM) iowa state adds nothing athletically to the big 10. more importantly, iowa state would add nothing academically to the conference. mizzou would at least bring in the st. louis market They don't bring anything athletically in the big sports....it's still a top 10 wreslting program....and a handful of women's sports that includes an NCAA tourney qualifier in women's soccer and a gymnastics team that made the Super Six this past year. Although I'm not surprised that you said this. I don't think many Iowa State fans would want to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Apr 26, 2006 -> 02:33 PM) If you guys thought Baylor-Iowa State football was intense, wait til Iowa State- Illinois. Just wait. Should that be in green? LOL, I had no idea there was an intense rivalry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Apr 27, 2006 -> 06:34 AM) They don't bring anything athletically in the big sports....it's still a top 10 wreslting program....and a handful of women's sports that includes an NCAA tourney qualifier in women's soccer and a gymnastics team that made the Super Six this past year. Although I'm not surprised that you said this. I don't think many Iowa State fans would want to move. No offense, this means you bring nothing to the table. The big 10 could care less about women's soccer, they want the meat and potatoes sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Apr 26, 2006 -> 01:35 AM) Theoretical New Big Ten alignment West Illinois Iowa Iowa St/Mizzou Minnesota Northwestern Wisconsin East Indiana Michigan Michigan St Ohio St Penn St Purdue Not bad, I can see it being slightly lopsided at times, but i like it. I still think ND would be the best choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 QUOTE(THEWOOD @ Apr 26, 2006 -> 10:36 PM) 12 in the BIG 10 we will NEVER see if you're going just by the name, then I think you're completely wrong. They wouldn't have gone to 11 if that was the case. The money they can get from a championship football game seems like a pretty good allure for the conference to expand to one more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 The question is whether they will abandon the Big 10 moniker. I like Big TwelvEN, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxhawks Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I think the what will probably happen in the next few years is Utah and another Mountain West team will probably end up in the Pac 10, TCU will move to the Big 12 moving Oklahoma to the North and either ISU or Mizzou to the Big 10. Oklahoma to the Big 12 north would set up a date with Nebraska every year, and probably the Big 12 Championship with Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted April 27, 2006 Author Share Posted April 27, 2006 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Apr 27, 2006 -> 09:24 AM) Should that be in green? LOL, I had no idea there was an intense rivalry Dripping with sarcasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 QUOTE(soxhawks @ Apr 27, 2006 -> 10:08 AM) I think the what will probably happen in the next few years is Utah and another Mountain West team will probably end up in the Pac 10, TCU will move to the Big 12 moving Oklahoma to the North and either ISU or Mizzou to the Big 10. Oklahoma to the Big 12 north would set up a date with Nebraska every year, and probably the Big 12 Championship with Texas. it would have to be ok state, there is way too much money invested in the red river shootout to not let it occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 OK and OK St. moving to separate conferences? Not happening. They'll make one giant division of 12 before that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxhawks Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ Apr 27, 2006 -> 05:28 PM) OK and OK St. moving to separate conferences? Not happening. They'll make one giant division of 12 before that happens. Stranger things have happened, if the conference leaders feel it will make more money they will sell out. Look at the BCS, the Rose Bowl was between the Big 10 and Pac 10 forever and now has sold out to the BCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 QUOTE(soxhawks @ Apr 27, 2006 -> 11:33 AM) Stranger things have happened, if the conference leaders feel it will make more money they will sell out. Look at the BCS, the Rose Bowl was between the Big 10 and Pac 10 forever and now has sold out to the BCS. I still see the Big 12 just adding 2 more teams, 1 goes in north(colorado state/utah) 1 goes in south (arkansas, tcu) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 QUOTE(T R U @ Apr 27, 2006 -> 12:25 AM) They could change the name to The Midwest 12 Better than being the Big 10 with 12 teams That is a horrible, horrible name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 QUOTE(Felix @ Apr 27, 2006 -> 02:13 PM) That is a horrible, horrible name. Whys that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted April 27, 2006 Author Share Posted April 27, 2006 If they did add a team it doesn't mean they have to change their name.....10 has worked with 11 long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 (edited) Well for one thing, the Big 10 will probably never change its name regardless of how many teams join. The name at this point is symbolic as there are 11 teams, so I dont see why they would change it if it went to 12. I really believe that there is a better chance of going back to 10, then going to 12, unless Notre Dame is the school, or if they can get a Syracuse, etc. They are not just going to add for the sake of adding, because the Big 10 is already one of the richest conferences, and the increased revenue from 1 championship game may not be enough incentive for a team like Wisconsin, who could potentially lose OSU and Michigan on its schedule every year. Edited April 27, 2006 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 QUOTE(T R U @ Apr 27, 2006 -> 04:45 PM) Whys that "The Midwest 12" sounds like a boy band, not an conference of colleges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 FWIW, one of my co-workers is big into the Big 10 and has been talking about this for a while, and I think that some of his points make sense, and I do not see ISU or Mizzou making the cut. The Big 10 would be trying to improve their conference with any type of addition to it. This is a link to the rankings by US News of different universities: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/r...tudoc_brief.php Big 10 (11 of 11 schools ranked. Avg ranking: 51) 12. Northwestern 25. Michigan 34. Wisconsin 42. Illinois 48. Penn State 60. Ohio State 60. Purdue 60. Iowa 74. Indiana 74. Michigan State 74. Minnesota Big 12 (9 of 12 schools ranked. Avg ranking (of those ranked): 82) 52. Texas 60. Texas A&M 78. Baylor 78. Colorado 85. Iowa State 85. Missouri 97. Kansas 97. Nebraska 109. Oklahoma For what it's worth, Utah is #120 on this list. Of course, the rankings above are only an overall score. There is much more that goes into it from an academic perspective. I am not up on all the details, but I know that there is a heavy emphasis on being a research institution (which all the big 11 schools are). Also, grad programs factor in heavily. I believe all of the Big 10 schools have Law and/or Med schools (ISU has neither for the record). For sure all the Big 10 schools have a large proportion of grad students in their student body. These reasons are also the explanation for why Notre Dame is not a serious Big 10 candidate either. Just one man's opinion (and also what I have picked up from other people), but if the Big 10 added anyone I would be putting my money on Pitt (58th on this list, meets many of the above criteria as well as making sense geographically). TIFWIW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Good stuff. I do like the idea of adding Pitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 (edited) Also, grad programs factor in heavily. I believe all of the Big 10 schools have Law and/or Med schools (ISU has neither for the record). For sure all the Big 10 schools have a large proportion of grad students in their student body. These reasons are also the explanation for why Notre Dame is not a serious Big 10 candidate either. ND's undergraduate and graduate program are very prestigious. Under this ranking, ND is 18 over all. It is a very prestigious undergrad, and has a top of the line graduate program. Not to mention it has the best potential football program of any of the candidates (the most important sport in Big 10 athletics) and a good basketball program. ND would be the favorite giving the Big Ten another school academically on par with the top programs. I think their preference would be 1) Notre Dame, 2) Syracuse (yes not geographically similar, but in previous years there have been talks about Syracuse moving to the Big 10), 3) Pitt. Edited April 28, 2006 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 ND would never join the Big 10. The Big 10 would want NDs football team to be in conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyJesus69 Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Apr 28, 2006 -> 04:51 PM) ND's undergraduate and graduate program are very prestigious. Under this ranking, ND is 18 over all. It is a very prestigious undergrad, and has a top of the line graduate program. Not to mention it has the best potential football program of any of the candidates (the most important sport in Big 10 athletics) and a good basketball program. ND would be the favorite giving the Big Ten another school academically on par with the top programs. I think their preference would be 1) Notre Dame, 2) Syracuse (yes not geographically similar, but in previous years there have been talks about Syracuse moving to the Big 10), 3) Pitt. i'm pretty sure that ND's graduate programs were the sticking points last time adding ND to the b10 came around, and ND wasn't up to par. If the b10 ever chooses to expand, which i doubt it would, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Mizzou are the most likely candidates. Although Pitt is a fine school that would bring a lot academically to the conference, it doesn't add a market that the b10 doesn't already own. With Penn State, the b10 already has the pittsburgh market. With the ACC expanding north, it makes a lot more sense to bring in syracuse or rutgers in order to get more tv sets tuned into b10 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxhawks Posted April 29, 2006 Share Posted April 29, 2006 QUOTE(knightni @ Apr 29, 2006 -> 04:38 AM) ND would never join the Big 10. The Big 10 would want NDs football team to be in conference. I don't know how many times it can be said, Notre Dame will never join the Big 10 unless they fall on very hard times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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