June 27, 200619 yr i was debating this with a few friends the other night and they came up with some doozies: -brock for broglio (obviously) -pedro martinez for delino deshields -sandberg and bowa for ivan dejesus -tom seaver for pat zachary and doug flynn -curt schilling, steve finley, and pete harnisch for glenn davis anyways, those were a few we brought up. they mentioned sosa for george bell as well. what are yours?
June 27, 200619 yr Author QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 05:49 PM) Don't forget Bagwell for Anderson or Smoltz for Doyle Alexander. we talked about the smoltz deal. long-term it's no doubt that was a bad deal. but in the short term, alexander went like 9-0 with a 1.53 era in 11 starts. he was no doubt a key part of that tiger season. but long-term it was bad. if you are into the sabermetrics thing, i think it was one of the worst deals ever in terms of win-shares exchanged. i'm no expert on that though. i've just been told that.
June 27, 200619 yr Its probably the lou brock trade... Larry Anderson for Jeff Bagwell is in the discussion as well
June 27, 200619 yr How about Pierzynski for Liriano/Nathan/Bonser or whatever garbage the Red Sox gave the Diamonbacks for Schilling.
June 27, 200619 yr I was just talking to a co-worker about the Bell/Sosa trade. Can you really consider it a "bad" trade? Bell was brought in to produce right away. You don't bring in a George Bell as a long term option. Plus the Sox would of had to deal with another PR nightmare in Sosa. The Tribune would of never fell for Sosa's tricks if he was still on the Sox. They'd call him out on the steroids, the wife beating, and the mysterious brown paper bag full of money right away.
June 27, 200619 yr BABE RUTH for money to pay for a broadway show Edited June 27, 200619 yr by wilmot825
June 27, 200619 yr QUOTE(wilmot825 @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 06:42 PM) BABE RUTH for money to pay for a broadway show The White Sox were originally pegged to get him while giving up Joe Jackson and 60,000$. But the Red Sox took the 100,000 instead. How dumb. This is clearly the worst deal ever.
June 27, 200619 yr QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 01:52 PM) The White Sox were originally pegged to get him while giving up Joe Jackson and 60,000$. But the Red Sox took the 100,000 instead. How dumb. This is clearly the worst deal ever. Damn, that would have worked out a lot better for the Red Sox. Most of the really bad ones were youngsters for older more established veterans, so I have a hard time criticizing the people that made those that much. They clearly had no clue that Brock, Smoltz, Bagwell, and others were going to be as good as they became. It's hard to predict success for young players most of the time. Another one that looks really bad right now is Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano. Kazmir was one of those can't miss type young pitchers, and Zambrano is clearly mediocre. That one looked dumb from the start.
June 27, 200619 yr QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 02:04 PM) what did the Scrubs get for Garland? Matt Karchner
June 27, 200619 yr QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 07:04 PM) what did the Scrubs get for Garland? Matt Karchner, though I wouldn't include this in the discussion.
June 27, 200619 yr I see a lot of really lopsided deals here... can anyone think of some deal that made both teams worse?
June 27, 200619 yr QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 02:19 PM) I see a lot of really lopsided deals here... can anyone think of some deal that made both teams worse? One could argue David Wells for Mike Sirotka...
June 27, 200619 yr what was the palmerio deal with the cubs?? didnt the cubs give him away because he wasnt a power hitter. I remember they traded him for some scrub on the orioles
June 27, 200619 yr QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 01:23 PM) How about Pierzynski for Liriano/Nathan/Bonser or whatever garbage the Red Sox gave the Diamonbacks for Schilling. Lately this is about as bad as you can get. I can't say worse ever though since I don't go that far back.
June 27, 200619 yr QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 01:21 PM) One could argue David Wells for Mike Sirotka... In my mind, this might be one of the worst trades ever.
June 28, 200619 yr QUOTE(zygoat @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 03:39 PM) what was the palmerio deal with the cubs?? didnt the cubs give him away because he wasnt a power hitter. I remember they traded him for some scrub on the orioles He was traded cuz he got caught banging Sandbergs wife...surpirsing, mayb it was a twin brother...just like he didnt take 'roids...
June 28, 200619 yr QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I see a lot of really lopsided deals here... can anyone think of some deal that made both teams worse? the 2004 Marlins-Dodgers trade was about as pointless as you could get. The Dodgers got rid of Mota (who turned into s*** for the next 1.5 years with the Marlins,) their "heart and soul" Paul Lo Duca (traded away for scraps this past offseason,) and Juan Encarnacion (who was traded to the Dodgers in the offseason.) The Marlins got rid of Hee Flop Choi (who was acquired 8 months before that and had one hot month. Claimed off waivers last offseason,) Brad Penny (Pitched 3 games for them spanning less than 12 innings and even lost on a 2 hitter,) and Bill Murphy (who was later used to get Steve Finley.) The Marlins flopped, got nothing in return this past offseason for Mota, Lo Duca or Encarnacion. The Dodgers nearly missed the playoffs, and Paul Depodesta was fired after the 2005 season.
June 28, 200619 yr QUOTE(thedoctor @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 12:45 PM) -pedro martinez for delino deshields Boy that was bad... That Randy Johnson deal they had a few years ago was awful too.
June 28, 200619 yr QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 12:45 AM) Boy that was bad... That Randy Johnson deal they had a few years ago was awful too. Randy Johnson for Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen and John Halama.
June 28, 200619 yr QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 27, 2006 -> 11:25 PM) their "heart and soul" Paul Lo Duca (traded away for scraps this past offseason,) got nothing in return this past offseason for Mota, Lo Duca Gaby Hernandez - 3.94 ERA, 91.3 IP, 90 H, 7 HR, 26 BB 91 K at High-A 20 years old Not sure how you can say they got nothing for Lo Duca Mota was also part of the trade that brought in Hanley Ramirez..not only was he Boston's top prospect, but he started off hotter than hell too. He's only hitting like .185 in June, but inconsistency is to be expected out of young players. Brad Penny (Pitched 3 games for them spanning less than 12 innings and even lost on a 2 hitter,) If you're talking about the after effects of Mota, Lo Duca, and Encarnacion, you have to look at the after effects of Penny too. He was injured a lot of last year, but still put up a sub 4.00 ERA and won 7 games for a mediocre Dodger team. This year, he's putting up a line of 8-2 with a 3.06 ERA and a 1.21 WHIP, with a solid K/BB ratio. I do however agree that it was pretty much a bad trade for both teams in 2004, as they both were worse because of it. Edited June 28, 200619 yr by witesoxfan
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