fathom Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 We have enough off days early on in this 2nd half where we'd be able to get by with only having 4 starters for a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojimthome Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 God, I hope we see Freddy shipped off soon... 85-88 mph fastball = batting practice fastball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I'd sooner help Philly than the Mets. That saying, I wouldn't trade one of the Sox's SPs for only Tom Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damen Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 10:49 AM) I would think if KW trades a starter is almost a lock BMac moves into the rotation. I would think if they did this deal fairly soon, they may call up a guy like Haeger to be the long man in the bullpen. If he could handle it, and if AJ can handle the knuckler fine, if not, a guy like Armas may make sense as a guy they could use in long relief. I don't see the Sox calling up a knuckleballer to be a relief pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojimthome Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Damen @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 04:16 PM) I don't see the Sox calling up a knuckleballer to be a relief pitcher. Don't automatically dismiss it. See Wilhelm, Hoyt; Best Relief Pitcher Ever© (No, I don't think Charlie Haeger is Hoyt Wilhelm; I'm just saying that there's nothing wrong with a knuckler in the pen) Edited July 14, 2006 by Contreras' Crew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 How about Ryan Sweeney and Javy Vazquez for Tom Gordon and Aaron Rowand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 05:29 PM) How about Ryan Sweeney and Javy Vazquez for Tom Gordon and Aaron Rowand? How about Aaron stays in Phili. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 10:35 PM) How about Aaron stays in Phili. He will stay in Phili... But it seems like we should get more back for Vazquez than just Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 05:41 PM) He will stay in Phili... But it seems like we should get more back for Vazquez than just Gordon. Vazquez is not being dealt this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 05:47 PM) You trade Garcia or Vaz and maybe a AAAA(Phillips,Farnsworth) for Flash and Gavin Floyd. You send down McCarthy, have him stretch out his arm in AAA, let Floyd start two or three games, then bring Mac back up, put him in the rotation, and put Floyd were Mac is now. Do we really need bullpen help, at this stage in the game, before we even know what Hermanson might bring, soooo badly that we are willing to give up a starter right now? It seems rash to me. If he spins Garcia for prospects and a reliever, and then deals the prospects along with Fields and Broadway or something for Crawford, that is one thing. But doing it just for the sake of adding one reliever now? I don't get it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 05:57 PM) Do we really need bullpen help, at this stage in the game, before we even know what Hermanson might bring, soooo badly that we are willing to give up a starter right now? It seems rash to me. If he spins Garcia for prospects and a reliever, and then deals the prospects along with Fields and Broadway or something for Crawford, that is one thing. But doing it just for the sake of adding one reliever now? I don't get it... Yes, we do. We have no legit RH setup man. That will become a huge issue in the playoffs. When facing Manny, Arod, Jeter, Vlad, etc. we need that '05 Politte to come in and be damn near automatic. White Sox brass know where Hermanson is at. If they are shopping a SP, that means he's a shred of what he was last season. It would be one thing if it were tough to replace that SP's production, but for us it's not. Our rotation would improve with subtraction and out bullpen would drastically improve with Gordon. It's a very odd situation. One that is against the norm, but it's the way it is. Edited July 14, 2006 by sircaffey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Throw in Rowand and deal... Seriously if I could throw in Pods and get AROW back could you imagine for great of a defense outfield that would be... LF- AROW CF- Anderson RF- Dye *Drools* The only issue then is who would lead off, maybe Gooch...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 06:09 PM) Not many teams are going to come back against that pen in October... And maybe just as important... With our offense, if the Sox are down, there's a good chance we'll be the last one scoring in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Gooch /= a leadoff hitter It just doesnt fit. AaRow can stay in Philly...if we get a new LFer, he damn better be able to leadoff in the order too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Why not? He's one of the smartest ball players we have and I sincerely believe he could adjust anywhere we put him.... He'd kind of be a Ray Durham like leadoff man... then we can move AROW into the 2 hole where he would really thrive because he'd see pitches to hit... Everyone is b****ing about Pods and Vazquez... here is a way to kill two birds with one stone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Gooch is on pace to K 120 times this year. Add to that, his OBP is worse than Pods. Add to that, that Pods is a better base runner in terms of speed....well we need a more prototypical leadoff hitter if we get a new LFer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 If we trade a starter, it better be Vaz. We do not need to be trading Freddie or Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:09 PM) 1st, I can say with confidence that Oz, Coop, and Kenny are putting no faith in Hermanson being effective this season, so you shouldn't either. 2nd, brining in an All-Star bullpen arm would be huge. Right now it's tough for Oz to play the match up game with Mac being the long man and Rikse being your only RH setup man(Cliff is DONE) You bring in Gordon, you have that "lock down" bullpen teams dream of. From the 7th on, you can play the match up games... Thornton-Riske-7th Cotts-Flash-8th Jenks-9th Not many teams are going to come back against that pen in October... Well said! Pin this post for anyone who questions why a trade is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojimthome Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 08:01 PM) Well said! Pin this post for anyone who questions why a trade is necessary. Or we could just play a tape of tonight's game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 I am all for trading Vazquez for bullpen help, not so much Garcia. It would be great to move McCarthy back into the rotation where he belongs, but lets say we recieve a high-quality pitcher in return like Gordon. Then Gordon would be taking McCarthy's spot, who's been pretty good out of the pen, andwe're still stuck with Politte, so how much better does it actually make us. If we were to recieve 2 quality bullpen arms, then we might have something here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 QUOTE(Capn12 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Gooch /= a leadoff hitter It just doesnt fit. AaRow can stay in Philly...if we get a new LFer, he damn better be able to leadoff in the order too. This is big Xbox thinking here, but if the Sox were able to get Abreu to replace Pods, would you honestly be too worried about a "true" leadoff hitter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 02:14 PM) This is big Xbox thinking here, but if the Sox were able to get Abreu to replace Pods, would you honestly be too worried about a "true" leadoff hitter? Good speed, reliable stolen bases, very high OBP. I'd lead him off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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