Jermaine Dye is quickly shooting up the ranks as one of my favorite Sox players of all time.

^^^^^^^^

 

Perhaps it's time for me to bust out my old Spiderman sig.

Edited July 31, 200619 yr by BigSqwert

At least Jenks is consistant.

 

First 10 save opps.

9/10

 

Middle save opps.

10/10

 

last 5 save opps.

4/5

 

And of course with that consistansy, he'll probably save his last 5 games no problem.

 

Another way to look at it. Saves by month.

 

April-7/7

May-7/8

June-10/10

July-4/5

 

So he'll be perfect in August, and will probably have a blown save come September, and if were still playing in October, he'll be perfect then too. He's probably the most consistant/most predictable player on our team this season, esp. save wise, not necessarly era wise. Not worry about the fat man.

I agree that we should have had the corners in, and that would take away the threat of the bunt. If the ball was hit so slowly that we couldn't turn two on a very slow runner, who's to say we would have gotten the force out at home? There's a lot of things that can happen though, and it's too bad we had to lose. Jermaine Dye is quickly shooting up the ranks as one of my favorite Sox players of all time.

 

Ok so now you say we should have had the corners in. So that's progress I guess.

 

If it was hit so slowly that we couldn't turn two, playing in greatly increases the chances of firing to the plate and cutting off the winning run on a force out. You know, shorter throw and all. The point being, it increased the odds.

Ok so now you say we should have had the corners in. So that's progress I guess.

 

There's no doubt you have the corners in. That shouldn't even be in question for a manager. In that situation, it's probably easier to turn a 5-2-3 DP than a 5-4-3 DP (especially with Patterson at first).

why not move an outfielder into the infield. and long fly ball scores the runner anyways.

why not move an outfielder into the infield. and long fly ball scores the runner anyways.

 

I've only seen that work once, and I think the Sox turned a double play on Jermaine Dye when he was still with KC. Carlos Lee made a great turn at 2nd. Hell, with the way our guys have been throwing out there, might as well have had 7 infielders

There's no doubt you have the corners in. That shouldn't even be in question for a manager. In that situation, it's probably easier to turn a 5-2-3 DP than a 5-4-3 DP (especially with Patterson at first).

 

Right, you have the corners play in and the rest of the IF play in too. The key out is the out at home. Give yourself every chance to get that out. Play the middle IF back and you decrease your odds of getting that out. Shorter throw to the plate and then hopefully to 1st to get the runner, if not, you're still alive and there are two outs and you revert to normal defensive positioning.

Right, you have the corners play in and the rest of the IF play in too. The key out is the out at home. Give yourself every chance to get that out. Play the middle IF back and you decrease your odds of getting that out. Shorter throw to the plate and then hopefully to 1st to get the runner, if not, you're still alive and there are two outs and you revert to normal defensive positioning.

 

What do you think about giving Thornton a chance or two at closing out a game? With Jenks struggling lately, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Thornton get a situation with a 3 run lead and some lefties coming up to the plate. In no way am I advocating a change, but it might give Ozzie some options. I remember that before the year, you thought Cotts would get some chances to close (to give Ozzie options).

What do you think about giving Thornton a chance or two at closing out a game? With Jenks struggling lately, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Thornton get a situation with a 3 run lead and some lefties coming up to the plate. In no way am I advocating a change, but it might give Ozzie some options. I remember that before the year, you thought Cotts would get some chances to close (to give Ozzie options).

 

Again, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Jenks is still our primary closer, but all teams will have someone else close on occasion, if anything just to give the regular a break. You won't find many teams with only one person with all the saves.

The consensus seems to blame Vazquez. Good job Soxtalk.

Blame Cotts as he gives up the go ahead runs once again.

What do you think about giving Thornton a chance or two at closing out a game? With Jenks struggling lately, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Thornton get a situation with a 3 run lead and some lefties coming up to the plate.

 

He should absolutely get the chance. It would give him more confidence. It's a good idea if you have an off day the next day so you ensure he's ready to go the next time you need him, or if he's fresh and is just getting the last out of the 8th, does well, and can go into the 9th. Plus it gives Jenks a break.

He should absolutely get the chance. It would give him more confidence. It's a good idea if you have an off day the next day so you ensure he's ready to go the next time you need him, or if he's fresh and is just getting the last out of the 8th, does well, and can go into the 9th. Plus it gives Jenks a break.

 

And there's this thought...if he can go out there and be a shut down closer, he might have HUGE trade value this offseason. I don't want to trade him, but if he can net you a good package, it might be worth giving him the shot. If, and it's a big if, we fall out of the playoff race, I'd like to see him get a lot of opportunities as a closer.

Blame Cotts as he gives up the go ahead runs once again.

 

As if Vazquez doesn't have problems enough keeping his ERA down, Cotts didn't help that cause today.

 

Bad pitching all the way around, some bad luck in the 9th didn't help either. Everything went right for Gibbons today, he fisted his base hit in the 9th. Conine I give credit to, great veteran at bat but bad pitch location and selection by the White Sox.

As if Vazquez doesn't have problems enough keeping his ERA down, Cotts didn't help that cause today.

 

Bad pitching all the way around, some bad luck in the 9th didn't help either. Everything went right for Gibbons today, he fisted his base hit in the 9th. Conine I give credit to, great veteran at bat but bad pitch location and selection by the White Sox.

 

Mackowiak again costs us in center, as well. Not a lot went right today. But we almost came through with a good win anyways.

Bad pitching all the way around, some bad luck in the 9th didn't help either. Everything went right for Gibbons today, he fisted his base hit in the 9th. Conine I give credit to, great veteran at bat but bad pitch location and selection by the White Sox.

 

You really have to admire Conine's ABs vs Jenks this season. It's funny, but both of Jenks' blown saves this year have been on almost identical hits (German and Conine taking the outside fastball to right field).

cant blame Big Bad Bobby.

 

 

I blame Javy and Ozzie

cant blame Big Bad Bobby.

I blame Javy and Ozzie

Yep, its not like the closer entered the game with the lead or anything. It's all Javy's fault for.. uh.. crap.. LIVING. Yea, thats it. And Ozzie? How dare he use his closer!

 

Jenks blew the game. He might not have been needed if Cotts didn't let the inherited runners score or if Ozzie took Javy out earlier, but one way or the other, the Sox entered the 9th with the lead.

Yep, its not like the closer entered the game with the lead or anything. It's all Javy's fault for.. uh.. crap.. LIVING. Yea, thats it. And Ozzie? How dare he use his closer!

 

Jenks blew the game. He might not have been needed if Cotts didn't let the inherited runners score or if Ozzie took Javy out earlier, but one way or the other, the Sox entered the 9th with the lead.

Whats so hard to understand about that?

 

This thread is ridiculous.

As if Vazquez doesn't have problems enough keeping his ERA down, Cotts didn't help that cause today.

 

Bad pitching all the way around, some bad luck in the 9th didn't help either. Everything went right for Gibbons today, he fisted his base hit in the 9th. Conine I give credit to, great veteran at bat but bad pitch location and selection by the White Sox.

 

 

Cotts is turning into this years Damaso Marte. He allows all or most of his inherited runners to score and then strands his own runners, thus deceptively lowering his ERA.

Cotts is turning into this years Damaso Marte. He allows all or most of his inherited runners to score and then strands his own runners, thus deceptively lowering his ERA.

That's really not true at all. As of late, he's definitely struggling and he's let a lot of inhertied runners to score, that you're correct about. On the whole though, he's done a pretty damn good job of stranding inherited runners.

Edited July 31, 200619 yr by Rowand44

Give me a break.

Putting in Bobby was a no brainer.

For god sakes, he hasn't pitched that much before the O's series considering we've been losing

every fishing game before that.

Too bad he blew a save finally, but it's a no brainer to pitch him.

Thornton probably would have spiff his pants and walked the bases loaded.

Since the Boston series before the ASB, the entire pitching staff has been horrible. The Starting Pitchers have a 5.74 ERA and the Relievers have a 5.24 ERA. Now if you also include that the Relievers have allowed several inherited runners to score, then they have actually performed worse than the starters.

 

Even in this slump the offense is still averaging 4.5 runs a game, but the pitching/defense is letting up over 6.

This was only what Bobby's actual 2nd blown save of the season.

 

He can't be on all of the time, and we've got that insurance in MacDougall in case we need it.

I was mad when we lost, but I dont blame Bobby. Hes carried a heavy load the last few weeks, with the bullpen continueing to be a joke. What worries me, is that if Vazquez, Buehrle continue to pitch like schmucks, and wear down an already thin bullpen, its going to carry over to Jenks and by the time September comes, this team will slide to .500

 

Since the Boston series before the ASB, the entire pitching staff has been horrible. The Starting Pitchers have a 5.74 ERA and the Relievers have a 5.24 ERA. Now if you also include that the Relievers have allowed several inherited runners to score, then they have actually performed worse than the starters.

 

Even in this slump the offense is still averaging 4.5 runs a game, but the pitching/defense is letting up over 6.

 

 

yechhhhhhhhhhhh. Those stats just made me sick.

it seems like one of our pitchers struggle, then they all suck. Javy had a poor outing at best and then our relievers went straight into the mentality of poor pitching, and that in turn goes to bobby. Everyone rubs off on everybody else too much