Texas has come back from 6-0 and taken the lead against Detroit

If he was in Vazquez's spot in the rotation and the team scored as many runs as they have for Javy, McCarthy would have to be really awful to be under .500. I think in 10 of Vazquez's 11 victories the Sox have scored 8 or more runs, and they have scored a lot of runs in 3 or 4 of his other starts. The problem I see is with how Ozzie uses him, this really is a lost season for him. He's not learning anything. Next season he will be just as green as he was this season.

 

I agree. We are throwing away games with Vazquez out there...he's horrendous. Having McCarthy in the bullpen is just wasting talent.

McCarthy has been mis-managed and we traded some decent talent for this waste of space pitcher.

 

This trade wouldn't be nearly as bad if Chris Young was only a decent talent.

when was the last time thome hit a HR?

Another runner stranded. This $hit is getting old

 

At least we moved him along. Whoops. I was thinking of another game.

I think he's hurt more than they're letting on.

I think you're right. A cortisone shot and he's still hurting. The ball isn't jumping off his bat like it was earlier.

Fantastic. Only a 1 game lead on the Twins after tonight. Damn we better kick the s*** outta the kittens or we could be in trouble.

I would have to agree. It does not mean he is throwing "Meatballs" up to the plate.

 

He's hanging his changeup more than I've ever seen him. Against someone like him, you need to capitalize on those bad pitches, and not foul them off. A great example is how we smashed every bad pitch Halladay threw against us a few weeks ago.

 

Ah....here comes the 3rd time through the order.

I'm a big Vazquez fan.

Great start to this inning...we're already 3 runs down against Johan. Take him out Ozzie.

 

I can't wait until Vazquez is gone....unfortunately I might have to wait for a year or two...

when was the last time thome hit a HR?

Or PK for that matter? These guys need to get it going if we have any chance in this race

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Fantastic. Only a 1 game lead on the Twins after tonight. Damn we better kick the s*** outta the kittens or we could be in trouble.

 

With how crappy we've played in the last week, I'm THRILLED we still have the lead in the WC right now.

Why is Javy still out there?

Why is Javy still out there?

 

Tryin' to get his ERA over 6.00.

Seems like the Sox only get a hit when it's a bloop shot or a ball hit off a glove. We need some fluke luck and Minnesota is just hitting it all over the friggin place.

McCarthy was outstanding last year...Outstanding after his callup. He earned a chance to start as the 5 this year. His change up and curve ball are 10x better than Javy's is...McCarthy's fastball has seemed a little flat this year and has made some youthful mistakes (he should have never thrown a get-me-over against the Yankees when Milky Cabrera went yard on him a couple weeks ago...Milky is the ONE GUY in that lineup that fishes hard for the first pitch)....That is a lack of experience...

 

OK, so McCarthy would not go 20-3, this we can all agree on, but I can be certain that he would learn from his mistakes (like last year) and we would not see our own version of Groundhog Day starring Javier Vazquez.

 

This idea that one would gurantee McCarthy would have a losing record in Javy's spot is pathetically hilarious seeing that Vazquez got > 8 RUNS A GAME support for most of this year...EIGHT FRIGGIN RUNS...

 

McCarthy has been mis-managed and we traded some decent talent for this waste of space pitcher.

And you don't know that McCarthy would have gotten the same 8 run support. He could have lost 10 games by one run.

 

Look, bottom line is - Javy was traded because we thought we were going to be TWO pitchers down from our rotation last year. And both of those two ended up coming back on long term deals. At that point, it's better to not risk your best prospect's arm. Javy has 11 wins. McCarthy would have about the same, most likely... so it's a wash. It really is. It's not about run support, or ERA, or anything else. It's about W's. And McCarthy would give us the same about, roughly. Indeed a game or two here and there would be a lot different, but when it's all said and done, I think the records would be almost the same. McCarthy, if nothing else, has been up a whole season on the big club and can take that experience farther then he could have as a starter out there getting shelled.

 

We can sit here and MMQB the situation all day, and at the end of the day, the W's are going to have been about the same.

Or PK for that matter? These guys need to get itgoing if were going to make the playoffs

 

I agree. Besides Konerko's homer of Mariano we haven't seen much.

 

We are facing Johan today though.....I'd be thrilled if we could somehow scratch and claw for 3 more runs...

They should have just gotten on the plane for Detroit last night. Reading the comments by Ozzie and others, they lost this game before they ever played it. Santana's a very good pitcher, but the way they were talking, they had given up before the first pitch was thrown. They need to find someone to replace Thome, he's spent.

I would love to see the thread about the Vazquez trade.

With how crappy we've played in the last week, I'm THRILLED we still have the lead in the WC right now.

 

Think about it, though. If Vazquez goes out there twice in any week, you're already on the ropes.

Why is Javy still out there?

 

 

Hell if I know. I was disgusted that Ozzie called out Mark Buehrle and seemed to suggest he was the real problem with the staff.

 

Yea, Mark has struggled, but that dude took us to the top of the mountain...if he is getting hit hard, there has to be an explanation to it, becuase we've seen him bottle up people on the biggest stage in baseball...

 

Javy getting hit hard is just the MO for him, but Ozzie seems totally dedicated to this Frankenstein experiment we have...Come on folks...Can ANY OF YOU imagine this clown pitching in ANY OF THOSE games against Houston in the WS last year? LMAO...

Why do all our hitters try to constantly hit for the fences. Against Santana you have to slap hit to the opposite field.

This off season can't come fast enough, when, I hope we dump Garcia and Vasquez.

 

This off season can't come fast enough, when, I hope we dump Garcia and Vasquez.

Why is Javy still out there?

If we cant score off Santana, does it really matter? Might as well save our BP for the Detroit series, where we need to do everything possible to win each game

Javy getting hit hard is just the MO for him, but Ozzie seems totally dedicated to this Frankenstein experiment we have...Come on folks...Can ANY OF YOU imagine this clown pitching in ANY OF THOSE games against Houston in the WS last year? LMAO...

 

I have a feeling that Vazquez would suddenly show more testicular fortitude if he ever pitched in the posteason.