Chuck Todds breakdown (NM and CA not included)...

Obama - 659

Clinton - 623

 

If Hillary wins BIG in CA....

Obama - 841

Clinton - 837

 

So, OBAMA wins tonight!

 

wow. that's just absurd.

 

i mean honestly... if you just step back and look at those numbers that is just plain insanity. talk about a divided party...

ya know what, this is gonna help McCain as well - while the republicans will have their nominee and will be "unified" the dems will be squabbling late into the summer...... if you couple that with a Huck VP... not looking good.

Let me guess, Chris Matthews?

 

Hillary started off with about a 35-40 point lead in polling there a couple weeks ago. Those endorsements cut it in half. She had a huge built in lead in any media market hit by NYC.

No - it was the local affiliate here.

On a far more down to earth and real level, this is the headline on CNN.com right now "Death toll rises to 16 after tornadoes roar through parts of Arkansas, Tennessee and Kentucky, authorities say."

OK, of the states reporting 60% plus, I read the current delegate count for the Dems being:

 

Obama: 692

Clinton: 595

 

That's the delegate count WITHOUT California and New Mexico. Clinton will do well in CA, but, can she make up 100 points between those 2 states?

 

By the way, early numbers in, Edwards may actually grab some delegates in NM.

 

looking at the county breakdowns Edwards has a LOT of support in CA. Strange. Makes you wonder what would've happened had he stayed in.... *sigh*

which Dem states do NOT have the 15% rule? cuz i feel like i heard somewhere that some don't have that.

wow. that's just absurd.

 

i mean honestly... if you just step back and look at those numbers that is just plain insanity. talk about a divided party...

Yeah, but look at the sheer numbers that are turning out. Anyone voting DEM right now will likely vote DEM come the actual election. I think we will have a more unified party than most and anyone backing Obama or Hillary will vote for the other one when all is said and done.

Yeah, but look at the sheer numbers that are turning out. Anyone voting DEM right now will likely vote DEM come the actual election. I think we will have a more unified party than most and anyone backing Obama or Hillary will vote for the other one when all is said and done.

Not necessarily. Head-to-head polls suggest that McCain is currently looking better than Clinton in that matchup. Indepedents like McCain, and Clinton will galvanize the right.

 

Yeah, but look at the sheer numbers that are turning out. Anyone voting DEM right now will likely vote DEM come the actual election. I think we will have a more unified party than most and anyone backing Obama or Hillary will vote for the other one when all is said and done.

 

yeah i know - i just think we need to keep from getting overly optimistic...

On a far more down to earth and real level, this is the headline on CNN.com right now "Death toll rises to 16 after tornadoes roar through parts of Arkansas, Tennessee and Kentucky, authorities say."

Voted for Hillary.

Voted for Hillary.

 

really?

really?

Note that he was replying to the post about the storms. I think he was making a bad joke.

 

Note that he was replying to the post about the storms. I think he was making a bad joke.

 

my really wasn't ACTUALLY a question it was more of a "are you kidding me?"

 

just thought it was a tad tasteless.

 

but in any case... interesting night - and i dont think it REALLY changes a damn thing in the end. lol

From California exit polling...

 

Was Gender of Candidate         Clinton     Edwards     Obama

   Important to You    
 

      Yes (23%)                  71%          4%         24%
 

      No (76%)                   47%          6%         44%

 

Almost of 1/4 of the democratic voters in California thought gender was imporant, and those voters broke 3 to 1 for Hillary.

So why aren't the women of California going to be ripped for being sexist when I can't hear 5 minutes of Obama talk without race being brought up? Hypocritical, but not surprising.

Ronnie Woo Woo, even when watching Obama speak I have to see this douche! They pan the room, and there he is in the corner cheering

82% counted in CA-LI-FORNIA, Clinton at 52%, Obama at 41%.

 

New Mexico is neck and neck, Obama by 1% at 49% to 48% at 85% counted.

CNN has Hillary up by about 90 delegates. This comes almost entirely from Superdelegate pledges. Obama is neck-and-neck with her on votes won.

 

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries...ts/scorecard/#D

looking at the county breakdowns Edwards has a LOT of support in CA. Strange. Makes you wonder what would've happened had he stayed in.... *sigh*

 

He would have picked up a handful of delegates, maybe get to 30 total, and then drop out?

According to RealPolitics, Obama has a slight lead at this point in pledged delegates - 696-688. But that is with only PART of California in there (about half), with a 50 delegate lead for Clinton. If things continue as is, she will probably just sneak past Obama in pledged delegates.

 

Looking at the next few rounds, Obama has a pretty big advantage. Plus he doesn't have money issues, and he's perceived in the press as having "won" last night.

 

He would have picked up a handful of delegates, maybe get to 30 total, and then drop out?

 

lol cept he would've had a lot of support in MO, TN, OK, AK, AL, GA as well. obviously he wouldn't have gotten a lot. but in any case it's pointless. oh well.

lol cept he would've had a lot of support in MO, TN, OK, AK, AL, GA as well. obviously he wouldn't have gotten a lot. but in any case it's pointless. oh well.

 

It would have given him more of a "kingmaker" role if this stays close through the next several rounds.

Edwards staying in would have handed Clinton the nomination, just like having a three person race gave the nod to McCain for the GOP.

So why aren't the women of California going to be ripped for being sexist when I can't hear 5 minutes of Obama talk without race being brought up? Hypocritical, but not surprising.

I was thinking that yesterday morning while I was driving to work. Blacks vote for Obama and he is the "black candidate" and clearly cant win whites. Clinton wins women an the press is "well, she's a woman. she should win women"