StrangeSox Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 It's also a dating of the parchment that book is made of, not necessarily a record of when the ink was put down on paper. Either way, the date range from the carbon testing fits just fine with the book being written late in Muhammad's life or within a decade or so after his death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Here's how the NY Times reported on this over a month ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/23/world/eu...ngham.html?_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 01:56 PM) It's also a dating of the parchment that book is made of, not necessarily a record of when the ink was put down on paper. Either way, the date range from the carbon testing fits just fine with the book being written late in Muhammad's life or within a decade or so after his death. according to the NYT link just posted... During the time of Muhammad, the divine message was not compiled into the book form in which it appears today, Professor Thomas said. Rather, the words believed to be from God as told to Muhammad were preserved in the “memories of men” and recited. Parts were written on parchment, stone, palm leaves and the shoulder blades of camels, he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 What I was pointing out is that the parchment (animal skin in this case) could have been processed in lets say 500CE but not actually used until 600CE. So even if you could nail down the age of the parchment, it doesn't tell you the age of the ink--that's what you'd need to know to know when the words were actually put down. That's a trick that forgers use--they'll produce their copies of paintings on blank canvases or historical documents on parchments that date to the correct period so that it's that much harder to detect the fraud. Either way, we still have a broad date range that covers Muhammed's entire lifespan as well as a decade or so after it. There doesn't appear to be any conflict with the dating. This is a very early example of the fragmentary written recordings that the NYT quote you posted reference. Think of them like the Dead Sea Scrolls containing parts of different Biblical stories but not actually all compiled into one book yet or the various early Christian writings and gospels that weren't canonized until a couple of hundred years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 11, 2015 -> 01:45 PM) Rick Perry's fundraising has dried up, and he's no longer able to keep paying staffers. He may be packing it in soon as Trump continues to suck up all of the energy and attention. His NH campaign operation has dried up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegionSox Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 People used to scrape off and reuse parchment in ancient times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 How come Ben Carson can't garner more support? He'd be our second African American president and he's not a politico like Obama. Why do we HAVE to have a woman? Why can't we go with Ben?? Hillary gives me great concern; Ben seems like an upstanding man with a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 12:50 AM) How come Ben Carson can't garner more support? He'd be our second African American president and he's not a politico like Obama. Why do we HAVE to have a woman? Why can't we go with Ben?? Hillary gives me great concern; Ben seems like an upstanding man with a clue. Why would he do any better than Jimmy Carter (which wasn't very good, to be honest)? How/why is he qualified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 01:50 AM) How come Ben Carson can't garner more support? He'd be our second African American president and he's not a politico like Obama. Why do we HAVE to have a woman? Why can't we go with Ben?? Hillary gives me great concern; Ben seems like an upstanding man with a clue. He's very smart, and pretty charismatic. He's got a great hand at bringing a crowd on board. Also, his policy views are possibly the most extreme-right of the entire field, and when he's been asked relatively basic geography, political and governance questions, it has been clear he just knows very little about those worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 09:11 AM) He's very smart, and pretty charismatic. He's got a great hand at bringing a crowd on board. Also, his policy views are possibly the most extreme-right of the entire field, and when he's been asked relatively basic geography, political and governance questions, it has been clear he just knows very little about those worlds. He's also coming in 2nd place in some Iowa polling as of the last time I looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The Associated Press @AP 7m7 minutes ago BREAKING: Trump signs GOP loyalty pledge to back party's 2016 nominee, forego potential third-party bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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southsider2k5 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 01:18 PM) The Associated Press @AP 7m7 minutes ago BREAKING: Trump signs GOP loyalty pledge to back party's 2016 nominee, forego potential third-party bid. For whatever that is worth. The man is full of s***. I doubt it means anything to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 01:27 PM) For whatever that is worth. The man is full of s***. I doubt it means anything to him. Mashable @mashable 12m12 minutes ago Trump: "I have no intention of changing my mind ... the RNC has treated me with great respect." (via @meganspecia) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 08:48 AM) Why would he do any better than Jimmy Carter (which wasn't very good, to be honest)? How/why is he qualified? He's not a politician and that is what people say they want. He's brilliant. He is the change we need. Also he's the only guy who "might" challenge the ridiculously bad choice, Hillary. In this day and age people vote superficially. African Americans "might" choose Ben over the anointment of Hillary. QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 06:31 PM) Mashable @mashable 12m12 minutes ago Trump: "I have no intention of changing my mind ... the RNC has treated me with great respect." (via @meganspecia) Means nothing. If he doesn't get the nomination he'll just say he owes it to his legions of supporters to stay on the ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I'm curious to see how Jeb is on the offensive. His message resonates so much more to me, but what do I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 08:04 PM) I'm curious to see how Jeb is on the offensive. His message resonates so much more to me, but what do I know. Jeb has been labled "boring." It's hard to shake the labels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 10:01 PM) Jeb has been labled "boring." It's hard to shake the labels. That's not the worst label he's got. "Bush" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Trump beats all of the main Dem options head to head according to this poll, including Clinton: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presid...ry-head-to-head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 05:05 PM) That's not the worst label he's got. "Bush" That's exactly what I was thinking. QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 5, 2015 -> 05:16 PM) Trump beats all of the main Dem options head to head according to this poll, including Clinton: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presid...ry-head-to-head I wouldn't read too terribly much into it, given all the recent results that basically flip the numbers. SurveyUSA is a good firm, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 5, 2015 -> 09:16 PM) Trump beats all of the main Dem options head to head according to this poll, including Clinton: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presid...ry-head-to-head If Hillary loses, drinks are on me up to 200 bucks at a Sox game someday (dunno why I stopped at 200). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 5, 2015 -> 06:40 PM) If Hillary loses, drinks are on me up to 200 bucks at a Sox game someday (dunno why I stopped at 200). Yeah, that is only what, 5 beers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Saving money for daughters to become plastic surgeons....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 200 bucks is still 15 beers or more at 10 bucks a pop plus tip. That's a few brews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 So we have the most transparent administration ever hiring a "transparency czar". Clinton should be paying for this stiff. You cannot make this stuff up. This is f***ing hilarious...but don't say anything because you are racist or misogynist.... We have the former lawyer at the IRS, after disposing of all the dirt, moving over to State to cover up the dirt there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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