http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId...amp;hcmp=motion

 

Brewers are appealing the call. No doubt the scorer made a quick decision, do you think it was the correct decision?

Looks like a hit to me - he would have had a hard time getting him at first either way.

I'm going the other way with this, I think it should be an error and I hope MLB changes it.

Hmmmm, maybe I should have made this a poll. Can I still add one after the fact?

I say it should be a hit after hearing Yost b**** about it not even being close.Cmon Ned it was a 50/50 call IMO and there is no way you can shrug it off to not even being a close call.

I think it was an error, but I'm not sure how I feel about them possibly changing it back. Part of me feels, "that's baseball," but on the other hand I realize that these hit/error calls can be and are often changed by official scorers after the fact, when much less is riding on the line. Its a shame though, because even if its changed to an error (correctly imo), there's likely to always be a taint or stigma of controversy associated with CC's game.

merging soon

merging soon

 

Yay for the poll I neglected to add!

Yay for the poll I neglected to add!

Sorry, I screwed up your title. My screw up for certain was an E-1

It was an error, but who cares. They won the game. That is way more important.

I watched it a couple more times and have to go E1. He could have easily thrown the runner out, he was there in time and it was a relatively easy pick up, one that would have been fielded 99% of the time, if he wasn't so fricking fat.

Err,I accidently clicked no but I meant for it to be a hit.The poll is flawed already!!!No wonder why they dont let me moderate Diamond club!

Err,I accidently clicked no but I meant for it to be a hit.The poll is flawed already!!!No wonder why they dont let me moderate Diamond club!

 

f***ing Florida voter already.

 

I should have worded it better.

 

Now we need an admin to rewrite the answers I do not have poll edit privileges here for some reason.

f***ing Florida voter already.

 

I should have worded it better.

 

Now we need an admin to rewrite the answers I do not have poll edit privileges here for some reason.

 

We are the god damn blind leading the blind.

We are the god damn blind leading the blind.

 

Fixed and I changed your vote, even though you are wrong.

Fixed and I changed your vote, even though you are wrong.

Thanks,atleast shipps was honest about clicking the wrong button.Most would have just left it alone,but shipps vows to be honest with his fellow soxtalkians.

 

And yes shipps is referring to himself in third person.

I believe it was an error because I have seen many plays like that where I think hit all the way and the throw just BARELY beats them.

 

Then again I don't know how good CC's fielding is. If he normally makes that play then it's an error.

Then again I don't know how good CC's fielding is. If he normally makes that play then it's an error.

 

That is an interesting comment. Should errors be determined by the individual player's talents?

It probably was an error, but to give it to him would be wrong IMO. I've seen worse called hits. How does anyone know the game would have gone the same way had CC had the pressure of a no hitter on his mind?

That is an interesting comment. Should errors be determined by the individual player's talents?

 

Isnt that somewhat of the criteria involved, determining if the player A: could have gotten to the ball, and B: could have made the play?

That is an interesting comment. Should errors be determined by the individual player's talents?

To a point yes. You won't give a gold glove caliber fielder an error if he misplays a ball that most fielders wouldn't have gotten, but he usually does. I know that's vague though. So for example you might not give Crede an error for not getting the out when the ball is scorched down the foul line and he doesn't get the runner after diving getting up and throwing it.

 

So had CC came up with it cleanly, he would have a chance with a good throw to get the runner.

 

The link below describes an official error.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/offic...l_scorer_10.jsp

Isnt that somewhat of the criteria involved, determining if the player A: could have gotten to the ball, and B: could have made the play?

What i was wondering could it be an error for a great fielding pitcher but not for a poor one? Does the individual player's talents come into play? I always thought no.

To a point yes. You won't give a gold glove caliber fielder an error if he misplays a ball that most fielders wouldn't have gotten, but he usually does. I know that's vague though. So for example you might not give Crede an error for not getting the out when the ball is scorched down the foul line and he doesn't get the runner after diving getting up and throwing it.

 

So had CC came up with it cleanly, he would have a chance with a good throw to get the runner.

 

The link below describes an official error.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/offic...l_scorer_10.jsp

Which is what I understood. It doesn't, matter what CC would normally do, he's judged against a "standard" drawn from all fielders.

I'm sorry, but I can't see how anyone would say that's an error.

I think I read somewhere that MLB can't over turn it.

 

And that the only way it can be overturned is for the official scorer to change it.

 

If so, then what good does it do to protest it?

 

Anybody else know anything about this?