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Best Defensive CF since Rowand?

Besides Anderson 64 members have voted

  1. 1. Besides Anderson

    • Rob Mackowiak
      9%
      6
    • Scott Podsednik
      1%
      1
    • Andy Gonzalez
      4%
      3
    • Luis Terrero
      20%
      13
    • Jerry Owens
      8%
      5
    • DeWayne Wise
      9%
      6
    • Ken Griffey Jr
      6%
      4
    • Nick Swisher
      16%
      10
    • Alexei Ramirez
      16%
      10
    • Darin Erstad
      6%
      4
  2. 2. Is death an option?

    • Yes
      63%
      28
    • Possibly
      36%
      16

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QUOTE (hawkubes @ May 1, 2009 -> 03:23 PM)
Actually according to baseball-refence.com Dewayne Wise has been a plus defender throughout his career (including 2008), and Anderson has been about average according to their calculations. Wise's total fielding runs above avg. was 4.0 and Anderson's was -1.8 in 2008. In 5 years in the outfield, anderson is .5 runs above average, while Wise is 9.0 runs above average in his 6 seasons in the outfield. I know everybody's gonna jump all over this, but it's statistical analysis. I think Dewayne Wise is a lot better out there than people give him credit for. I actually voted for Terrero, and got to thinking that Wise really hasn't been that bad. I got curious and checked out the stats, of the ones I checked out, Wise and Erstad were the best according to those numbers. By the way, Swisher is atrocious (-14.8 last year) and Ryan Sweeney is also below average according to this analysis.

Defensive stats aren't really as useful when you're not talking about nearly a full season's worth of innings.

I wish Sox fans would forget about Aaron Rowand.

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QUOTE (Paint it Black @ May 1, 2009 -> 08:18 PM)
I wish Sox fans would forget about Aaron Rowand.

When there's someone as good in CF, they will.

QUOTE (hawkubes @ May 1, 2009 -> 02:23 PM)
Actually according to baseball-refence.com Dewayne Wise has been a plus defender throughout his career (including 2008), and Anderson has been about average according to their calculations. Wise's total fielding runs above avg. was 4.0 and Anderson's was -1.8 in 2008. In 5 years in the outfield, anderson is .5 runs above average, while Wise is 9.0 runs above average in his 6 seasons in the outfield. I know everybody's gonna jump all over this, but it's statistical analysis. I think Dewayne Wise is a lot better out there than people give him credit for. I actually voted for Terrero, and got to thinking that Wise really hasn't been that bad. I got curious and checked out the stats, of the ones I checked out, Wise and Erstad were the best according to those numbers. By the way, Swisher is atrocious (-14.8 last year) and Ryan Sweeney is also below average according to this analysis.

Eh, people stopped sighting FRAA when UZR and PMR become readily available.

I hate to bring up Ryan Sweeney, but he's been robbing people left and right last two games. *sigh*

QUOTE (tommy @ May 1, 2009 -> 07:16 PM)
I hate to bring up Ryan Sweeney, but he's been robbing people left and right last two games. *sigh*

With a sweet .693 OPS.

QUOTE (Felix @ May 1, 2009 -> 06:13 PM)
What idiot voted for Griffey?

Big whoop wanna fight about it?

QUOTE (knightni @ May 1, 2009 -> 08:47 PM)
When there's someone as good in CF, they will.

Nick Swisher was better than Aaron Rowand. It's not even close.

Me thinks Swisher's sudden hit spree has now caused a re-assessment of his time in Chicago with rose-tinted glasses. He was awful.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 1, 2009 -> 07:17 PM)
Defensive stats aren't really as useful when you're not talking about nearly a full season's worth of innings.

But they are somewhat useful when stats from one partial season are consistent to what that part-time player has done throughout his career.

I'm going with the future hall of famer

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QUOTE (Texsox @ May 2, 2009 -> 06:23 PM)
I'm going with the future hall of famer

If only we had the 1998 Griffey instead of the 2008 one.

2008 was a more relatable, everyman Griffey.

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 2, 2009 -> 04:23 PM)
I'm going with the future hall of famer

You do realize this thread says best defensive CF, not most dreamy CF... right?

 

I honestly have no idea how anyone can say Griffey was a better defensive CF than Swisher (or some of these other options, for that matter) unless they were blind or stuck in the mid/late 90's.

Edited by Felix

QUOTE (Felix @ May 2, 2009 -> 04:51 PM)
You do realize this thread says best defensive CF, not most dreamy CF... right?

 

I honestly have no idea how anyone can say Griffey was a better defensive CF than Swisher (or some of these other options, for that matter) unless they were blind or stuck in the mid/late 90's.

 

I couldn't agree more. Griffey was putrid in CF (outside of the great throw he made in the play-in game) last year.

 

I kinda agree with Kalapse, though. I don't have any stats/metrics to back up his claim. But using just my eyes, I thought LT was solid in CF.

Wow, everyone assumed I meant Junior? Do you mean that is the only future hall of famer on the list??

 

:lolhitting

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 2, 2009 -> 08:29 PM)
Wow, everyone assumed I meant Junior? Do you mean that is the only future hall of famer on the list??

 

:lolhitting

 

I assumed you meant Darin Erstad

QUOTE (bmags @ May 2, 2009 -> 12:36 PM)
Me thinks Swisher's sudden hit spree has now caused a re-assessment of his time in Chicago with rose-tinted glasses. He was awful.

I was never in favor of trading Swisher because I thought he had a terribly unlucky year last year.

I went with Griffey only because of the play in game throw. Obviously that shouldn't be the only reason to pick someone, but that list is terrible.

Edited by WilliamTell

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