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Roberto Alomar Batting average .300 Hits 2,724 Home runs 210 Runs batted in 1,134 Stolen bases 474

Harold Baines Batting average .289 Hits 2,866 Home runs 384 Runs batted in 1,628

Ellis Burks Batting average .291 Home runs 352 Runs batted in 1,206

Andre Dawson Batting average .279 Hits 2,774 Home runs 438 Runs batted in 1,591 Stolen bases 314

Andres Galarraga Batting average .288 Hits 2,333 Home runs 399 Runs batted in 1,425

Eric Karros Batting average .268 Home runs 284 Runs batted in 1,027

Ray Lankford Batting average .272 Home runs 238 Runs batted in 874

Barry Larkin Batting average .295 Hits 2,340 Home runs 198 Stolen bases 379

Edgar Martinez Batting average .312 Hits 2,247 Home runs 309 Runs batted in 1,261

Don Mattingly Batting average .307 Home runs 222 Runs batted in 1,099

Fred McGriff Batting average .284 Hits 2,490 Home runs 493 Runs batted in 1,550

Mark McGwire Batting average .263 Home runs 583 Runs batted in 1,414

Dale Murphy Batting average .265 Home runs 398 Runs batted in 1,266

Dave Parker Batting average .290 Hits 2,712 Home runs 339 Runs batted in 1,493

Tim Raines Batting average .294 Hits 2,605 Home runs 170 Stolen bases 808

David Segui Batting average .291 Home runs 139 Runs batted in 684

Alan Trammell Batting average .285 Home runs 185 Hits 2,365 Runs batted in 1,003

Robin Ventura Batting average .267 Home runs 294 Runs batted in 1,182

Todd Zeile Batting average .265 Home runs 253 Runs batted in 1,110

 

Kevin Appier Win-Loss record 169-137 Earned run average 3.74 Strikeouts 1,994

Bert Blyleven Win-Loss record 287-250 Earned run average 3.31 Strikeouts 3,701

Pat Hentgen Win-Loss record 131-112 Earned run average 4.32 Strikeouts 1,290

Mike Jackson Win-Loss 62-67 Earned run average 3.42 Strikeouts 1,006 Saves 142 Games pitched 1,005

Jack Morris Win-Loss record 254-186 Earned run average 3.90 Strikeouts 2,478

Shane Reynolds Win-Loss record 114-96 Earned run average 4.09 Strikeouts 1,403

Lee Smith Win-Loss record 71-92 Earned run average 3.03 Strikeouts 1,251 Saves 478 Games pitched 1,022

 

 

Please don't just vote for Alomar, Baines, Ventura and Raines because of their past unis.

If I had my choice.

 

Blyleven

Dawson

Smith

 

would be my top 3

 

Raines

Baines

McGwire

 

next 3

 

Alomar

Larkin

Morris

 

next 3

I don't see why McGwire should be penalized by the media if there is no proof of a positive test.

Alomar, Larkin, Raines.

Voted:

 

Alomar - Defense/bat/speed

Baines - Clutch/bat/defense in early career

Dawson - All around great

Blyleven - Good pitcher who fell 13 W's short of the magic number, but had 3000 + K's

Martinez - Great bat

Mattingly - Defense/bat

Raines - Ungodly speed/bat

Ventura - Defense/good bat

Rose - Seriously, as steroids have shown, it can be a lot worse. And least he cheated after he played.

McGwire - I put him on because as knightni said, no positive test for anything banned at the time.

 

However, only ones I see getting in this year are Raines/Alomar/Dawson.

Please don't just vote for Alomar, Baines, Ventura and Raines because of their past unis.

 

Roberto Alomar is a near lock IMO regardless if people did vote for him cuz he rocked a sox uni.

Raines deserves more respect from the writers.

 

The next closest active guy in SBs to him is 350 away.

Roberto Alomar is a near lock IMO regardless if people did vote for him cuz he rocked a sox uni.

His numbers compare favorably to some of the greatest 2B of all time (Joe Morgan), he was unbelievable at his peak and he's one of the greatest defensive 2B of all time. Yeah, he's a lock.

 

12 All Star games (9 starts)

10 Gold Glove awards

4 Silver Sluggers

5 finishes in the top 6 of MVP voting

1 World Series ring (hit. 480/.519/.640/1.159 during the series, if it weren't for Molitor he would have been the MVP)

.313 career postseason hitter

Over a 10 year span ('92-01) he put up a .315/.393/.482/.875 line and won 9 gold gloves, he had four .900+ OPS seasons in the time span

I don't see why McGwire should be penalized by the media if there is no proof of a positive test.

When you're asked directly if you used and you refuse to give an answer you're not going to get a lot of sympathy.

When you're asked directly if you used and you refuse to give an answer you're not going to get a lot of sympathy.

No sympathy = negative bias then, by the writers.

 

You go by stats and drug tests when they played - not years later.

 

If MLB presents a valid positive drug test on McGwire that was taken before he retired, then I could see a reason other than negative public/media opinion to exclude him from the Hall.

 

I think you need a none box on the bottom of all 3, or it won't let you vote.

 

Alomar, Martinez, Raines.

Edited November 28, 200916 yr by MattZakrowski

No sympathy = negative bias then, by the writers.

 

You go by stats and drug tests when they played - not years later.

 

I never even thought McGwire's stats were HOF worthy. Yippee for homers, but that is it.

I never even thought McGwire's stats were HOF worthy. Yippee for homers, but that is it.

See Harmon Killebrew and Willie McCovey.

When you're asked directly if you used and you refuse to give an answer you're not going to get a lot of sympathy.

 

Also doesn't help when Canseco (who has been right on the money with his accusations and was a long time teammate) your own brother, Sosa (who not only was part of the chase and already got caught, but used to work out together in the offseason) and ex fiance/wife claim you were on steroids as well. And didn't he already get busted for an amphetamine but it wasn't "illegal" yet?

Edited November 28, 200916 yr by SoxAce

And didn't he already get busted for an amphetamine but it wasn't "illegal" yet?

 

Yea, but the thing is, can you be penalized for something not banned (though wasn't it illegal in the US? I don't know), and I think thats what all the people refer to when they say he did 'roids.

 

Also, McGwire has one of the crappiest brothers ever.

 

His numbers compare favorably to some of the greatest 2B of all time (Joe Morgan), he was unbelievable at his peak and he's one of the greatest defensive 2B of all time. Yeah, he's a lock.

 

12 All Star games (9 starts)

10 Gold Glove awards

4 Silver Sluggers

5 finishes in the top 6 of MVP voting

1 World Series ring (hit. 480/.519/.640/1.159 during the series, if it weren't for Molitor he would have been the MVP)

.313 career postseason hitter

Over a 10 year span ('92-01) he put up a .315/.393/.482/.875 line and won 9 gold gloves, he had four .900+ OPS seasons in the time span

 

He's one of the top 5 players I've ever seen.

Yea, but the thing is, can you be penalized for something not banned (though wasn't it illegal in the US? I don't know), and I think thats what all the people refer to when they say he did 'roids.

 

Also, McGwire has one of the crappiest brothers ever.

 

That seems to be a good question. So I will add my own questions, if it was OK, why did guys hide it? Why didn't one, just one, come out and say, hey this isn't banned so I'm using steroids? They all hid it. Many hid it from their teammates. That tells me a lot about whether the drug users thought they were doing something wrong or not.

 

A person's answer to that will determined whether they think someone should be held accountable for their drug use.

My votes:

 

Roberto Alomar

Bert Blyleven

Andre Dawson

Fred McGriff

Dale Murphy

Tim Raines

 

Just missed, IMO:

 

Edgar Martinez

Lee Smith

Harold Baines

 

That seems to be a good question. So I will add my own questions, if it was OK, why did guys hide it? Why didn't one, just one, come out and say, hey this isn't banned so I'm using steroids? They all hid it. Many hid it from their teammates. That tells me a lot about whether the drug users thought they were doing something wrong or not.

 

A person's answer to that will determined whether they think someone should be held accountable for their drug use.

That's still opinion and hearsay.

 

There is no concrete proof.

That's still opinion and hearsay.

 

There is no concrete proof.

Him pleading the 5th is concrete proof, I don't care what anyone says.

 

 

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Roberto Alomar

Bert Blyleven

Andre Dawson

Jack Morris

 

I wish I could say Mattingly was because he was so incredible for a good amount of time, but that back injury cut him short.

 

Raines falls short in my opinion. He had seven great seasons, and then he kinda was just there. I mean, it's a real close call, but I gotta say no.

 

Barry Larkin--He'll probably get in, but I'd probably want another year to think about it if I was a voter.

 

Lee Smith doesn't pass the smell test with me. Relief pitching is the toughest call. I don't think Sutter belongs in there either.

 

Edgar Martinez--no way. I really think he was a roider anyway.

 

Part of me thinks if Ozzie Smith is in, so should Alan Trammell. I could go either way with him.

 

McGriff and Murphy both fall a little short too. The rest--dump them, including McGwire. His only criteria is homers, and that was done by cheating. He's a piece of s***.

Edited November 28, 200916 yr by flavum

Him pleading the 5th is concrete proof, I don't care what anyone says.

That's not concrete at all.

 

There were no test results, there were no syringes, there were no photos.

That's not concrete at all.

 

There were no test results, there were no syringes, there were no photos.

Doesn't matter to me. If he was so innocent then he could of said so when asked. But he chose "not to talk about the past."

 

 

I don't think Barry Larkin is getting enough love.