chisoxfan09 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 OK, this is not blasting Ozzie but he is happy with Jones/Kotsay et. al for the DH committee and thinks we don't need a middle of the order power lefty DH bat. WTF?? And KW may agree with him although he wants to get that bat. Man no way with this. We need that bat, hope KW over rules Ozzie as he did with the Peavy deal. We need more offense IMHO? Get er done Kenny!!! See link and paste below: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb CHICAGO -- Don't look for general manager Ken Williams to make one extra big splash by adding a full-time designated hitter to the White Sox attack during the next two months. Trading for Juan Pierre on Tuesday put the White Sox 40-man roster at 40, for starters. But even more important than this total is manager Ozzie Guillen believes he has viable in-house candidates to fill the DH spot in Andruw Jones, Mark Kotsay and Jayson Nix. "Ozzie and I have been speaking on that for quite a while, and we spoke on it again today," Williams said. "He would like to sit where we are right now. He likes the idea of having flexibility." That flexibility means not having a designated hitter who solely hits, as the White Sox have gone with for most of the past four years in the form of Jim Thome. Of course, Thome was highly successful on the field and a major clubhouse influence, but Guillen likes the idea of being able to rotate players and using the DH spot for a break without offering a full day off. Paul Konerko could slide into that position on occasion, with Kotsay playing first base. Omar Vizquel could even fill that role, giving the White Sox a little extra speed on a given day. "Absolutely, yes," said Guillen on Tuesday, when asked if he liked the rotating-DH possibility. "And I don't want to hear people say we don't have a power hitter, that we need a guy who hits 40 homers or that Kenny and myself need to find a real DH. I'm excited with what we have." What the White Sox have is enough power in the lineup to take advantage of hitter-friendly U.S. Cellular Field. What the White Sox have is one of the best pitching staffs in the American League. And what the White Sox have is enough versatility and talent to let Guillen's managerial creativity flow during the course of a 162-game season. All of this potential can lead to success without Williams making that one more move he frequently talks about. "I've given him some names, and this is a very critical last thing on our list," Williams said. "But I don't want to do anything that conflicts with what my manager wants. "Regardless if I think there might be a need for another left-handed bat in middle of the lineup, he's the one in there, and I fully support how he sees the situation fitting and piecing it together. We'll continue to think about it. We have time, but not a whole lot, before we set a course of action." Thoughts?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 If not for 2005, would Ozzie still be our manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) It's not like Ozzie wants fewer good players. But it was probably put to him that he can either have DH by committee.....or the same bullpen. Something along those lines. I mean, who in their right mind wants fewer talented players? Edited December 17, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Trade for Gonzalez. Slide Paulie to DH. Paulie can spell AGon if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 You guy believe Kenny Williams? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Mods, a few references to this link and thread already. If you want to merge go ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Outside of the Yanks and Red Sox (because they have seemingly unlimited funds), I truly believe all AL teams should employ a "DH by Committee" strategy. 1. Spend the $$$ elsewhere. 2. Play the matchups. 3. Provide more depth in case of an injury to an everyday position player. 4. Reduce the average age of an MLB player by two years, thus lowering health and life insurance costs. 5. Help support local farmers (cowhide). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 It's pretty simple...if the 2010 don't make the playoffs, then either KW or Ozzie should be fired. With the way KW is talking, he's putting this all on Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 For some reason I get the feeling the KW was set on getting Bradley and Ozzie doesn't want him on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (supernuke @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 09:58 PM) For some reason I get the feeling the KW was set on getting Bradley and Ozzie doesn't want him on the team. The way the Sox are constructed, he'd actually fit in the lineup right now. It's tempting. It would make things interesting, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 07:09 PM) If not for 2005, would Ozzie still be our manager? Do you remember how long Jerry Manuel was our manager? With the way that CQ and PK have battled through injuries over the past few years, Kenny freaking better bring another high SLG guy into the fold. Even a declining Thome would provide a major boost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 translation: I want to play Vizquel and Kotsay as much as possible...don't get me a real hitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 11:05 PM) The way the Sox are constructed, he'd actually fit in the lineup right now. It's tempting. It would make things interesting, that's for sure. He's there for the taking, it's a risk, but it's incredibly logical. I'd bet that KW has the move in the back of his mind, but is looking elsewhere for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 09:25 PM) You guy believe Kenny Williams? Really? Agreed. I'm not buying KW doing this yet. But Ozzie needs to STFU and let Kenny and the upper management make the decisions. Now.. if somehow KW agrees with Ozzie, Tyler Flowers better be getting alot of at bats to develop. Other than maybe Kotsay, I don't trust Jones/Vizquel/etc.. to do much. (not counting bunting (sac./drag/whatever) - Vizquel, homers - Jones) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 08:22 PM) He's there for the taking, it's a risk, but it's incredibly logical. I'd bet that KW has the move in the back of his mind, but is looking elsewhere for now. Kenny should definitely consider it. But I would hope that he's savvy enough to realize that his clubhouse isn't some sort of magical environment that will change Bradley. QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 08:30 PM) But Ozzie needs to STFU and let Kenny and the upper management make the decisions. But if he did STFU for once, he wouldn't be Ozzie. Edited December 17, 2009 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I don't think it would be smart to go out and say that the team is not good enough as is. It gives you more bargaining position and if you fail to acquire who you're looking for your failure isn't public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 We need one more power bat. If we don't get one, hopefully A. Jones is gonna work out all winter with something to prove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Pierre will lead off and Beckham will likely hit 2nd. Because Ozzie doesn't like going with 3+ righties in a row, expect Kotsay, Teahen, or (probably) AJ hitting clean-up. L Pierre LF R Beckham 2B R Quentin RF L AJ C R Konerko 1B R Ramirez SS L Teahen 3B R Rios CF R Jones DH Start planning the parade route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 05:31 AM) We need one more power bat. If we don't get one, hopefully A. Jones is gonna work out all winter with something to prove. We need to sign Manny Alexander ASAP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 L Pierre LF R Beckham 2B R Quentin RF L AJ C R Konerko 1B R Ramirez SS L Teahen 3B R Rios CF R Jones DH I'm assuming Rios will be better Pierre Beckham Quentin Konerko Rios AJ Lexi Teahen Jones could be a lot of strikeouts in my eight and nine hole if Teahen doesn't get his act together. he's a non RBI guy who whiffs a lot; he has some talent; he needs to revamp his game a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Yeah, now that I think about it KW does not really need to tell Ozzie to STFU. He brought up Bacon against Ozzie's wishes and bingo look what happened. But for Ozzie to publicly say he like our offense is not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 I'm assuming Rios will be better Pierre Beckham Quentin Konerko Rios AJ Lexi Teahen Jones could be a lot of strikeouts in my eight and nine hole if Teahen doesn't get his act together. he's a non RBI guy who whiffs a lot; he has some talent; he needs to revamp his game a bit Greg, good comment. I am no fan whatsoever of Walker's success at reclamation projects off the scrap heap like Jones. Teahan won't excite me with that bat as long as Walker is mentoring him, that's for sure. Only time will tell as the season goes along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 11:42 PM) I'm assuming Rios will be better Pierre Beckham Quentin Konerko Rios AJ Lexi Teahen Jones could be a lot of strikeouts in my eight and nine hole if Teahen doesn't get his act together. he's a non RBI guy who whiffs a lot; he has some talent; he needs to revamp his game a bit You really think Ozzie is going to put 4 righties in a row like that? BTW Teahen is going to be a stud here. Something is in the water here (or perhaps not in the case of flouride) but this is clearly the place hitters who have never lived up to expectations go to when they want restore their precious bodily fluids back to their natural states and thusly live up to those prior expectations which everyone on the planet except Kenny Williams and Ozzie Guillen believe are now impossible to reach. Don't stop believin.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 11:56 PM) You really think Ozzie is going to put 4 righties in a row like that? No offense, but his lineup was more realistic than yours was. Your probably right about the 4 righties in a row (which I'm sure just flip-flop AJ and Rios and there you go) but like wite said about Jordan Danks. I'll "eat s***" if I see A.J. hitting clean-up for us even with a rotating DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 11:56 PM) You really think Ozzie is going to put 4 righties in a row like that? BTW Teahen is going to be a stud here. Something is in the water here (or perhaps not in the case of flouride) but this is clearly the place hitters who have never lived up to expectations go to when they want restore their precious bodily fluids back to their natural states and thusly live up to those prior expectations which everyone on the planet except Kenny Williams and Ozzie Guillen believe are now impossible to reach. Don't stop believin.' I figure that AJ will be our 3 hole hitter so Ozzie can get his lefty/righty break. Not that I would do that, but Ozzie loves to break up the righties and Ozzie has hit him there before. Edited December 17, 2009 by southsideirish71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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