PeavyTime Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 02:14 PM) He possess all you seem to hate about the "Jim Thome" model (minus the versatility, lower K rate and ~.295 AVG of Thome in his prime) and yet he won a ring hitting cleanup for the team with the 2nd most HR in 2008. The Phillies pitched lights out in October which is why they won. Don't get me wrong, Thome could hit. We most likely would have won in 2005 if we had him instead of Carl/Frank. But championships are won with pitching and defense. And Thome add nothing to either category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 The only way i'm ok with Thome as a Twin is if Damon is a Sock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeavyTime Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 02:18 PM) Mark McGwire won a world series in 1989. Jim Thome's 1997 Indians team was 3 outs away from winning the Series until Joe Table blew it Barry Bonds's 2002 Giants team had a 5-0 lead, 8 outs away from winning the Series Were Thome & Bonds HR tendencies the reason why their teams bullpens blew their games????? I stand corrected on McGwire. For some reason I just named the steroid clowns. But thank you for making my point for me in regards to pitching winning championships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 01:49 PM) Home runs don't win championships, but hey that's just my opinion. World Series Winner 2009 Yankees 244 home runs 2008 Phillies 214 2007 Red Sox 166 2006 Cardinals 184 2005 White Sox 200 2004 Red Sox 222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 You know, the mariners had pretty great pitching and defense last year, and they didnt win a ring. you know why? Their offense is attrocious. WORSE THAN OURS EVEN! (amazing!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 02:18 PM) The Phillies pitched lights out in October which is why they won. Don't get me wrong, Thome could hit. We most likely would have won in 2005 if we had him instead of Carl/Frank. But championships are won with pitching and defense. And Thome add nothing to either category. Except you're saying that offense is completely meaningless, if pitching and defense were all it took the Mariners would be the defender champs right now. Believe it or not you do need to bat every once in a while. Perhaps I don't value defense out of the DH position as highly as yourself. Also, Barry Bonds is probably the best defensive LF of all time and Thome was a pretty good 3B/1B in his day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Jose Contreras to Phillies pending physical...... wonder if Thome's next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 02:18 PM) The Phillies pitched lights out in October which is why they won. Don't get me wrong, Thome could hit. We most likely would have won in 2005 if we had him instead of Carl/Frank. But championships are won with pitching and defense. And Thome add nothing to either category. so you don't have to ever score any runs or just win all games by 1-0 or 2-1 type scores? There's a balance to be had, by definition you have to score runs to win games. The Sox pitching staff had good numbers last year and the team was woefully short. Also, the fact that a team with Derek Jeter at SS won the world series last year (although he played slightly better, but he's still a below average SS) should show that you can still win with some poor D. IMO what will happen is the pitching will keep them in a bad division (even if the Twins add Thome, they're not running away with anything) and around the deadline KW will realize they're a bat short, trade Hudson and/or Flowers for a good bat and there will be a mass riot on this board. Dan Bernstein made a good point today, basically this is Ozzie's year, he got the type of team he wanted, if he falls flat on his face, which obviously I hope does not happen, it could be his last year. I don't think it's a terrible idea, except the 800 lb. gorilla in the room that they play 81 games at the Cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (b-Rye @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 02:27 PM) Jose Contreras to Phillies pending physical...... wonder if Thome's next. if he stay in one piece in the NL for a full season he'll be OK. I'm not sure what Thome would do on a NL team full time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 JR, KW and Ozzie said no to Thome, and it makes me happy. Sorry Jim, probably time to retire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 02:33 PM) JR, KW and Ozzie said no to Thome, and it makes me happy. Sorry Jim, probably time to retire. OK, I can understand saying no to Jim due to his age and from what I heard the massive physical effort it takes him to get ready just to DH for a game, but Rock, what is your opinion on the Sox line-up as constructed? Do you think they're a bat short? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeavyTime Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Obviously you need an offense people, come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 03:18 PM) The Phillies pitched lights out in October which is why they won. Don't get me wrong, Thome could hit. We most likely would have won in 2005 if we had him instead of Carl/Frank. But championships are won with pitching and defense. And Thome add nothing to either category. Good thing he'd be acquired for a position where neither mattered then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (b-Rye @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 02:27 PM) Jose Contreras to Phillies pending physical...... wonder if Thome's next. Good for Jose. Didn't want to see him going to Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 02:33 PM) JR, KW and Ozzie said no to Thome, and it makes me happy. Sorry Jim, probably time to retire. None of them have done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 02:26 PM) Except you're saying that offense is completely meaningless, if pitching and defense were all it took the Mariners would be the defender champs right now. Believe it or not you do need to bat every once in a while. Perhaps I don't value defense out of the DH position as highly as yourself. Also, Barry Bonds is probably the best defensive LF of all time and Thome was a pretty good 3B/1B in his day Offense is meaningful at our home field and American League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Bills James has the 2010 White Sox projected for 725 runs. That’s one run better than last year. 86 less than 2008, and 32 better then 2007. That’s right folks. Even factoring in huge years from Beckham and Q (as James does) our offense has improved by 1 run. Better yet a trio of Kotsay, Visquel, and Jones would only equal the production of Teahen, Ramirez, or Konerko (who’s fading) if they had 55 more AB’s then each of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Star Tribune says "Twins interest is Real" http://www.startribune.com/blogs/82410307....=KArksDyycyUUUU It looks likely they'll sign him for part time DH/Pinch Hitter, he's a helluva teammate/mentor, and will put fans in the seats. One of my favorite players, too bad the Sox "Don't need him". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 02:21 PM) I stand corrected on McGwire. For some reason I just named the steroid clowns. But thank you for making my point for me in regards to pitching winning championships. You are proving your ignorance and raw lack of knowledge in regards to baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I guess this has become a merged DH thread. A random thought I had. Ozzie wants a guy who can DH and also play the field. And Ozzie loves speedy guys. I want a guy who can hit from the LH side countering Jones. Playing the IF would also be a plus since Vizquel is our only backup there. Isn't Orlando Hudson still available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (b-Rye @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 03:06 PM) Star Tribune says "Twins interest is Real" http://www.startribune.com/blogs/82410307....=KArksDyycyUUUU It looks likely they'll sign him for part time DH/Pinch Hitter, he's a helluva teammate/mentor, and will put fans in the seats. One of my favorite players, too bad the Sox "Don't need him". mauer and morneau cant even do that, i doubt thome will lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 03:52 PM) mauer and morneau cant even do that, i doubt thome will lol well, the new ball park will take care of that for a few years, well past when Thome will be retired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 03:55 PM) well, the new ball park will take care of that for a few years, well past when Thome will be retired why is that? last yr, which was the final yr in the dome, they were in the race till the last game of the season, and they still only drew 2.3mil. i know people will want to see the new stadium this yr but the weather does get bad there and if they arent good, people wont go. even when theyre good, its still hard for them to draw fans Edited January 22, 2010 by Melissa1334 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 04:32 PM) I guess this has become a merged DH thread. A random thought I had. Ozzie wants a guy who can DH and also play the field. And Ozzie loves speedy guys. I want a guy who can hit from the LH side countering Jones. Playing the IF would also be a plus since Vizquel is our only backup there. Isn't Orlando Hudson still available? I kind of like it, but if you get Hudson, I think you at least consider playing him at second, move Beckham back to 3B, and DH Teahen. But I really still want Thome/Branyan (but mostly Thome) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jan 22, 2010 -> 03:59 PM) why is that? last yr, which was the final yr in the dome, they were in the race till the last game of the season, and they still only drew 2.3mil. i know people will want to see the new stadium this yr but the weather does get bad there and if they arent good, people wont go. even when theyre good, its still hard for them to draw fans I don't have the numbers in front of me, but they had to struggle to build the new stadium, I have no doubt they did studies to prove that people will show up, I'm not saying it's going to be a long term thing, but at least for the first year it will sell tickets by itself. I imagine they got a good boost in season tickets, so that will boost numbers in crappy weather and I imagine they built it to maximize revenue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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