Peavy      16

Buehrle    14

Rios       12

Linebrink   5.5

Pierre      5

Floyd       5

Teahen      4.75

Thornton    3

Viciedo     1.25

Ramirez     1.1

Castro      0.2

Danks      ????  (3.45)

Jenks      ????  (7.5)

Pena       ????  (1.2)

Quentin    ????  (3.2)
 

Total      67.8
 

---then guessing at salaries---
 

Peavy      16

Buehrle    14

Rios       12

Linebrink   5.5

Pierre      5

Floyd       5

Teahen      4.75

Thornton    3

Viciedo     1.25

Ramirez     1.1

Castro      0.2

Danks       7

Jenks       8.3

Pena        2

Quentin     5.5
 

Total      90.6

It's so tough to guess sarlay arbitration numbers in June

And you assume that Jenks doesn't get offered arbitration, then you wind up with my $12 million figure if the total salary hangs around $95 million.

You know what looked hideous to me? Scott Feldman's 17-8 record last year. More wins than Greinke, Garza, Kershaw and Gallardo. That was the most grotesque thing I've seen in a while.

 

Scott Failedman?

 

Wins and losses should be abolished, much like runs batted in.

 

And you assume that Jenks doesn't get offered arbitration, then you wind up with my $12 million figure if the total salary hangs around $95 million.

Yep, right there.

If we keep the payroll up near $100 mil, that clears us from $12 million to $15 million + available, which makes things easier but not perfect, because we're still suffering from lack of a DH, 1b, and closer, all of which can be expensive, on top of needing more setup men. I'd do that Konerko deal also, but then we have to figure out the closer's spot, and we're not offering Jenks arbitration.

 

I can't remember the last time that the Sox pursued an experienced MLB closer through FA. I imagine that it'll be either Thornton or Santos next year. It's too bad that Kenny didn't get Putz to sign a team option for 2011. He's been looking like the dominant 2007 Putz.

 

Scott Failedman?

 

Wins and losses should be abolished, much like runs batted in.

 

I agree about wins and loses. RBI is still important, though flawed and overrated (Ryan Howard).

I can't remember the last time that the Sox pursued an experienced MLB closer through FA. I imagine that it'll be either Thornton or Santos next year. It's too bad that Kenny didn't get Putz to sign a team option for 2011. He's been looking like the dominant 2007 Putz.

I doubt that Putz would have given anything close to a reasonable option, because he likely wants to cash in as a closer in the offseason. He could be talking about maybe even an 8-10 million a year deal if someone is really after a closer, if he comes up with this kind of season at the end of the year.

I agree about wins and loses. RBI is still important, though flawed and overrated (Ryan Howard).

 

The problem I have with RBI is some people try to use it when comparing player A to player B. OMG it pisses me off.

The problem I have with RBI is some people try to use it when comparing player A to player B. OMG it pisses me off.

My question would be: what does a player's RBI total tell you at the end of the year?

The problem I have with RBI is some people try to use it when comparing player A to player B. OMG it pisses me off.

 

I agree completely. There was a dude over at the ESPN board that compared Jorge Cantu favorably to Evan Longoria because of Cantu's 100 RBI last year. I thought he was kidding. When I realized he was serious I started to cut myself because I was so angry.

My question would be: what does a player's RBI total tell you at the end of the year?

 

How many opportunities said player(s) had to drive in a run, whether it be a runner in scoring position, or on first... compared to league average. That's pretty much it.

 

Sure on occasion players can hit great with men on and poorly with none on... but as a general whole the numbers even out pretty well. If you are a .220 hitter... but are one of the league leaders in rbi opportunities... you better believe that player has a great chance of being among a league leader in rbi's. It works both ways. You can hit .350, but if you don't have the opportunities, what does it matter?

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How many opportunities said player(s) had to drive in a run, whether it be a runner in scoring position, or on first... compared to league average. That's pretty much it.

 

Sure on occasion players can hit great with men on and poorly with none on... but as a general whole the numbers even out pretty well. If you are a .220 hitter... but are one of the league leaders in rbi opportunities... you better believe that player has a great chance of being among a league leader in rbi's. It works both ways. You can hit .350, but if you don't have the opportunities, what does it matter?

That's exactly what I was getting at, well said.

My question would be: what does a player's RBI total tell you at the end of the year?

 

In a way, it tells you a little bit about the player's ability, because you don't see everybody driving in 100 runs.

 

However, most of it is about who hits around you.

 

Adrian Gonzalez getting only 100 RBI a year doesn't mean he's nowhere near as good as Ryan Howard.

In a way, it tells you a little bit about the player's ability, because you don't see everybody driving in 100 runs.

 

However, most of it is about who hits around you.

 

Adrian Gonzalez getting only 100 RBI a year doesn't mean he's nowhere near as good as Ryan Howard.

As much as everyone loves Adrian, he's still underrated IMO.

As much as everyone loves Adrian, he's still underrated IMO.

 

If the year ended now, he'd be the NL leader in WAR. So technically, he has been the most valuable position player in the NL thus far.

Peavy      16

Buehrle    14

Rios       12

Linebrink   5.5

Pierre      5

Floyd       5

Teahen      4.75

Thornton    3

Viciedo     1.25

Ramirez     1.1

Castro      0.2

Danks      ????  (3.45)

Jenks      ????  (7.5)

Pena       ????  (1.2)

Quentin    ????  (3.2)
 

Total      67.8
 

---then guessing at salaries---
 

Peavy      16

Buehrle    14

Rios       12

Linebrink   5.5

Pierre      5

Floyd       5

Teahen      4.75

Thornton    3

Viciedo     1.25

Ramirez     1.1

Castro      0.2

Danks       7

Jenks       8.3

Pena        2

Quentin     5.5
 

Total      90.6

It's so tough to guess sarlay arbitration numbers in June

 

Is Castro a misprint?

Is Castro a misprint?

I'm assuming yes since he's getting paid $1 million this year.

As the Beatles would say No. 9 , No. 9, No. 9 .

My question would be: what does a player's RBI total tell you at the end of the year?

Roughly the OBP of the three players ahead of him in the lineup

As the Beatles would say No. 9 , No. 9, No. 9 .

Apologies to SS2k5 . I really didn't think anyone would make the reference I just made so I posted it beforre reading the thread only to see it in the very 1st post. ha !

I don't know what the f*** has gotten into this team but I love it!

Apologies to SS2k5 . I really didn't think anyone would make the reference I just made so I posted it beforre reading the thread only to see it in the very 1st post. ha !

 

No apologies necessary!

I don't know what the f*** has gotten into this team but I love it!

 

Starting pitchers woke up and have been on an ungodly tear. Offense is still inconsistent but when you're shutting out the opposition that doesn't really matter.

Starting pitchers woke up and have been on an ungodly tear. Offense is still inconsistent but when you're shutting out the opposition that doesn't really matter.

You're being kind. The offense still blows. But hey, if the other team can't score at all, it doesn't matter.

Starting pitchers woke up and have been on an ungodly tear. Offense is still inconsistent but when you're shutting out the opposition that doesn't really matter.

 

The defense has also been stellar.