So is there any hope of a Fielder deal getting done? There's no way Milwaukee can afford to re-sign him.

The Gammons article today on Lee (mlb.com) mentioned specifically about the haul(s) the Indians got for Lee and the Blue Jays for Halladay...that almost none of those guys has made an impact worth mentioning for those two respective clubs.

 

That most teams are fearful of giving up really high quality young prospects, even for two of the best pitchers in the game today.

 

To think that the Nationals can get the same for Dunn, no way!

 

The hauls for Lee have both been pretty mediocre. Jason Knapp, Jason Donald, Lou Marson, and Carlos Carrasco have all looked pretty mediocre both in the majors and in the minors for Cleveland, and Gillies, Aumont, and Ramirez have all been pretty terrible for the Phillies.

 

The guys Toronto got for Halladay have been pretty solid though. Drabek has struggled with his command a bit, but he's been pretty solid otherwise, d'Arnaud has performed quite well (even if it's High-A ball), and, though Michael Taylor has struggled with the Athletics, he was traded for Brett Wallace, who looks like he's atleast close to MLB ready - .301/.363/.507/.869 in 339 PAs this season, and he put up .302/.365/.505/.870 in 203 PAs with the Athletics' AAA team too, and, though he's striking out in about 21% of his plate appearances, he can afford to strike out a bit due to his ability to actually be a significant offensive piece.

 

The Nats have to do their due diligence though and ask for the moon, because if they can resign Dunn to an affordable deal, that team could quite conceivably be competitive in 2-3 years.

nats are not in dying mode to just give players away. They want Dunn back and will try everything get that done.

It's going to take more than Torres, Lillibridge, CJ Retherford or John Shelby III.

 

They're going to ask for Danks, another pitcher not named Hudson and maybe a low minors arm at least.

 

sign me up

So is there any hope of a Fielder deal getting done? There's no way Milwaukee can afford to re-sign him.

 

It'll take quite a bit for that to happen, and Fielder's not a free agent until after next season, so Milwaukee has some time to deal him.

The Nats have to do their due diligence though and ask for the moon, because if they can resign Dunn to an affordable deal, that team could quite conceivably be competitive in 2-3 years.

they could always resign him after the season if he's traded. If they ask for the moon they won't move him, but at least they can offer him arb and get the 2 picks, so I could see them sticking to their guns.

The hauls for Lee have both been pretty mediocre. Jason Knapp, Jason Donald, Lou Marson, and Carlos Carrasco have all looked pretty mediocre both in the majors and in the minors for Cleveland, and Gillies, Aumont, and Ramirez have all been pretty terrible for the Phillies.

 

The guys Toronto got for Halladay have been pretty solid though. Drabek has struggled with his command a bit, but he's been pretty solid otherwise, d'Arnaud has performed quite well (even if it's High-A ball), and, though Michael Taylor has struggled with the Athletics, he was traded for Brett Wallace, who looks like he's atleast close to MLB ready - .301/.363/.507/.869 in 339 PAs this season, and he put up .302/.365/.505/.870 in 203 PAs with the Athletics' AAA team too, and, though he's striking out in about 21% of his plate appearances, he can afford to strike out a bit due to his ability to actually be a significant offensive piece.

 

The Nats have to do their due diligence though and ask for the moon, because if they can resign Dunn to an affordable deal, that team could quite conceivably be competitive in 2-3 years.

What are the players that Cle got for CC doing?

It'll take quite a bit for that to happen, and Fielder's not a free agent until after next season, so Milwaukee has some time to deal him.

Ah. For some reason I thought he was going to free agency this off season.

Well it was soxnet, but close. I'm stunned with Mike though as I thought Jason would (and should) have the biggest beef with him along with Mario.

 

My favorite is that he apparently still reads SoxNet, because remember when we thought Hudson would fill in for Peavy? JC was all over dismissing that.

WEDNESDAY, 1:48pm: Nationals GM Mike Rizzo never talked to White Sox GM Kenny Williams about Dunn, tweets MLB.com's Bill Ladson. Meanwhile Ladson's colleague Scott Merkin passes along via Twitter a Rizzo comment made on ESPN's Waddle & Silvy show today: "For us to move [Dunn] will be very painful and it will probably be very painful for the team that wants to acquire him." Here's the audio from ESPN Radio.

 

 

from mlbtraderumors.com

 

Kenny will strike on a player not so specfic on the radar and will be shocked like always.

 

I'm wondering if Kenny is releasing incorrect info to test the organization for leaks.

 

So is there any hope of a Fielder deal getting done? There's no way Milwaukee can afford to re-sign him.

The Dunn talks could just be a smoke screen, while KW goes into stealth mode and aqcuires Prince. You never know? I've been suprised before. Milwaukee is going to want a HUGE return package though. We are talking one of Danks or Floyd and Hudson plus more!. .

What are the players that Cle got for CC doing?

 

Rob Bryson is putting up some crazy peripherals in the low minors for Cleveland as a reliever, so it's hard to take much out of it without actually knowing his stuff. Zach Jackson sucked and is back in Toronto, stinking up their AAA joint. Michael Brantley had a decent stretch for them at the end of last year and is hitting well enough in the minors, but he looks like a Jerry Owens clone. Matt LaPorta was the prize of the whole deal, and he's put up a whopping .241/.302/.386/.688 line in 341 career plate appearances, including .223/.294/.308/.601 in 143 PAs this season. He continues to murder minor league pitching though, putting up a .299/.388/.530/.917 in 399 PAs last year, and a .362/.457/.638/1.094 in 81 PAs this year. He should be getting a legitimate shot to claim the 1B job for the future this year since the Indians dealt Branyan to Seattle, so we'll see how that works out for them.

The Dunn talks could just be a smoke screen, while KW goes into stealth mode and aqcuires Prince. You never know? I've been suprised before. Milwaukee is going to want a HUGE return package though. We are talking one of Danks or Floyd and Hudson plus more!. .

 

Yeah, they can't ask for that. For starters, if they're trading Fielder, it wouldn't be to acquire guys that are 2 years away from free agency anyways, and the Sox wouldn't give up either Danks or Floyd for Fielder anyways.

 

Any package begins with 2 of Flowers, Viciedo, and Hudson, and it's entirely possible that all 3 would have to be included.

The Dunn talks could just be a smoke screen, while KW goes into stealth mode and aqcuires Prince. You never know? I've been suprised before. Milwaukee is going to want a HUGE return package though. We are talking one of Danks or Floyd and Hudson plus more!. .

 

And this is why Prince won't be wearing a Sox uniform any time soon.

 

LaRoche seems like a much better fit for an organization that will be likely moving its best three prospects to the major league roster next season.

Edited June 30, 201015 yr by WCSox

Yeah, they can't ask for that. For starters, if they're trading Fielder, it wouldn't be to acquire guys that are 2 years away from free agency anyways, and the Sox wouldn't give up either Danks or Floyd for Fielder anyways.

 

Any package begins with 2 of Flowers, Viciedo, and Hudson, and it's entirely possible that all 3 would have to be included.

I think all of these prices will fall dramatically as we get closer to the trade deadline. I guess we just have to be patient and wait it out.

 

Adam LaRoche is also a 2nd half hitter the last 3 years, hitting .309/ .371/.537

http://espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?play...p;type=batting3

The Sox can't afford to clean out their farm system on Fielder or Dunn.

I think all of these prices will fall dramatically as we get closer to the trade deadline. I guess we just have to be patient and wait it out.

With our current offense that might be too late.

So is there any hope of a Fielder deal getting done? There's no way Milwaukee can afford to re-sign him.

he is not being traded

he is not being traded

 

And the doc has spoken. (just in case anyone doesn't know, he is one of the better inside sources here)

I'm not opposed to offering the Brewers Danks + Flowers for Fielder, or some package around Danks.

Edited June 30, 201015 yr by JoeCoolMan24

I'm not opposed to offering the Brewers Danks + Flowers for Fielder, or some package around Danks.

 

 

I am.

 

Scott Boras is his agent. The Sox never deal with Boras when it comes to large contracts. The price for Fielder is going to be somewhere in the 5/125 million neighborhood. So you would be giving up a top notch LEFTY starting pitcher AND one of your top prospects for a rental.

 

Plus Fielder looks like he weighs 400lbs. Those knees could go out any minute holding up all that weight.

 

No thanks.... Not for Danks. Or Floyd. Or Flowers. Or Hudson.

Edited June 30, 201015 yr by Chet Kincaid

I'm not opposed to offering the Brewers Danks + Flowers for Fielder, or some package around Danks.

 

Why on earth would you deal the White Sox second best starting pitcher for a 1B? Because he's not going to resign in 2 and a half years?

 

That doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense, considering Prince Fielder isn't going to resign in 1 and a half years.

Why on earth would you deal the White Sox second best starting pitcher for a 1B?

I s*** you not Wite. I was going to type this sentence word for word.

 

I haven't read all 447 posts, though I skimmed the first 100 and the last 47.

 

A couple of points. In today's Washington Post, it raised the possible Dunn trade and listed the Sox. That part indicates Rizzo is willing to deal Dunn, which he had shown no signs of previously.

 

But the article also quoted Dunn as wanting to avoid DH'ing at all costs. Now, if Dunn is traded to an AL team, he's going to hit whenever and however he is put into the lineup -- this year. But if he REALLY doesn't want to DH, he's also capable of walking after the season, regardless of the offer to stay.

 

The result is that the Nats may want the moon, but by Dunn appearing to be a malcontent for any team wanting to employ him at DH, it could seriously erode the offers the Nats might get for his services in 2010.

 

My take is that Dunn appears a more likely target for the Sox than he did 2 days ago, and could likely be had for less than you might think.

 

 

 

 

We got rid of Thome ( a left handed home run hitter ) so Ozzie could get away from an everyday dh. Now we are going after Dunn ( a left handed home run hitter ) to make him our everyday dh? I don't get it. If we are committed to a new style of play then lets commit, and get past the slow strikeout guys in the middle of our lineup.