2010-2011 NBA Thread

[Jenksismyhero]

I'm deliberately not watching any of this series, but if JVG is doing that, that's somewhat disappointing. This used to be one of the better PBP lineups in sports because they'd actually call things out pretty evenly and give good detail on how the game was progressing.

 

I mean I don't want to make it seem like he's lacking ANY objectivity, but it's pretty clear what he thinks about Wade/Lebron/the Heat (the best thing to ever be witnessed by man), so he's ok with them getting the superstar treatment to the point where he expects it and if they miss a call or call them for something he voices his disagreement.

[bmags]

Mark Jackson did a quick switch and was very critical of Lebron. I wonder if being a coach now, he wants to point out all the ways the heat screw other teams.

[DukeNukeEm]

I honestly feel that is Korver or Boozer had contributed anything in the Heat series, the Bulls would have one it.

The Mavs are just doing a better job at what the Bulls wanted to do.

IIRC Boozer had some pretty decent games in the Heat series.

[Soxbadger]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/break...93495.htmlstory

 

Im not sure why in the world Wade would think doing things like that is a good idea, but sometimes you just dont want to mess with karma.

 

And the reason Lebron isnt posting more is because if he goes below the ft line he draws an immediate double team, so last night he was trying to spread the floor and facilitate offense. If you want to complain about any aspect of his game, it would have been 3 point shooting and that he maybe should have passed more. Even if Lebron only scored 17, he had 10 assists, which means that he contributed to at minimum 37 points for the Heat.

 

And no one is even mentioning that Lebron is basically playing 45+ minutes every single night.

Edited June 10, 2011 by Soxbadger

[chw42]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/break...93495.htmlstory

 

Im not sure why in the world Wade would think doing things like that is a good idea, but sometimes you just dont want to mess with karma.

 

And the reason Lebron isnt posting more is because if he goes below the ft line he draws an immediate double team, so last night he was trying to spread the floor and facilitate offense. If you want to complain about any aspect of his game, it would have been 3 point shooting and that he maybe should have passed more. Even if Lebron only scored 17, he had 10 assists, which means that he contributed to at minimum 37 points for the Heat.

 

And no one is even mentioning that Lebron is basically playing 45+ minutes every single night.

 

They deserve to have very bad things happen to them.

[Y2HH]

I saw Lebron in the parking lot before the game and asked him if he could break a dollar...he only gave me 75 cents in return.

 

I see what I did thar...

[RockRaines]

Luol was playing that much as well in the playoffs.

[Balta1701]

And the reason Lebron isnt posting more is because if he goes below the ft line he draws an immediate double team, so last night he was trying to spread the floor and facilitate offense. If you want to complain about any aspect of his game, it would have been 3 point shooting and that he maybe should have passed more. Even if Lebron only scored 17, he had 10 assists, which means that he contributed to at minimum 37 points for the Heat.

 

And no one is even mentioning that Lebron is basically playing 45+ minutes every single night.

Well, first of all...If Lebron was doing such a great job at spreading the floor out, they shouldn't have lost.

 

Secondly...if playing 45+ minutes every night is hurting him, then he should stop doing it.

[Balta1701]

Pistons trying to interview perhaps the one man as a head coaching candidate who would make me hate that team even more.

 

**** him.

[southsider2k5]

Pistons trying to interview perhaps the one man as a head coaching candidate who would make me hate that team even more.

 

**** him.

 

Well at least then he would be paying players legally...

[Balta1701]

Well at least then he would be paying players legally...

And if his whole team was on drugs again, no one would notice.

[southsider2k5]

And if his whole team was on drugs again, no one would notice.

 

To be fair, this is the NBA we are talking about...

[Soxbadger]

First of all, youve already said that you arent even watching the series, so how can you even comment on why Miami lost last night?

 

Miami lost because Dallas made 13 of 19 threes, including 2 pretty ridiculous shots by Terry. Lebron kept Miami in a game they had no business in.

 

Secondly, Im pretty sure its up to the coach to substitute. Just because MJ wants to play 48, doesnt mean Phil lets him.

 

Wade is the "Captain" its "his" team. Yet when they were on the brink, it was Lebron by himself.

[bmags]

First of all, youve already said that you arent even watching the series, so how can you even comment on why Miami lost last night?

 

Miami lost because Dallas made 13 of 19 threes, including 2 pretty ridiculous shots by Terry. Lebron kept Miami in a game they had no business in.

 

Secondly, Im pretty sure its up to the coach to substitute. Just because MJ wants to play 48, doesnt mean Phil lets him.

 

Wade is the "Captain" its "his" team. Yet when they were on the brink, it was Lebron by himself.

 

I did watch the game. Lebron did not keep miami in a game they had no business being in: Wade did. When they started to slip, wade drove, got a foul, hit his free throws. Just like when dallas needs dirk, he drives, gets fouled, makes his free thros. Lebron shoots jump shots. When he makes them he poses for hours acting like he's god's gift to man. When he misses them, it's because someone is banging his wife. But he just hasn't this series, said, "Hey, I should drive since I have a 6'3 pg on me and i'm 6'8 and outweigh him by 100 lbs!"

[WHarris1]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/break...93495.htmlstory

 

Im not sure why in the world Wade would think doing things like that is a good idea, but sometimes you just dont want to mess with karma.

 

And the reason Lebron isnt posting more is because if he goes below the ft line he draws an immediate double team, so last night he was trying to spread the floor and facilitate offense. If you want to complain about any aspect of his game, it would have been 3 point shooting and that he maybe should have passed more. Even if Lebron only scored 17, he had 10 assists, which means that he contributed to at minimum 37 points for the Heat.

 

And no one is even mentioning that Lebron is basically playing 45+ minutes every single night.

His mocking is even funnier when you considering this http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/mia...tory?id=6563197

[southsider2k5]

His mocking is even funnier when you considering this http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/mia...tory?id=6563197

 

Both of those guys have drank way too much of their own cool-aid. They don't even realize there is a world besides themselves.

[RockRaines]

His mocking is even funnier when you considering this http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/mia...tory?id=6563197

Especially considering Wade acts like he's hurt all of the time.

 

Icing the knees after shoot around huh Lebron? Those arent going to treat you well later in your career.

[Soxbadger]

How did Wade do more than Lebron?

 

The refs just gave Wade a ton more free throws, you can rewatch the game but when Lebron gets hit, he wasnt getting the same calls as Wade. In no universe did Wade deserve 9 more free throws than Lebron. Furthermore, Wade contributed to 39 points (8 assists, 23 points), Lebron contributed to 37 points (10 assists, 17 points). and also had 10 rebounds (compared to Wade's 2).

 

Lebron took more shots than Wade, he made more shots than Wade, he had more assists than Wade, he had more rebounds than Wade.

 

The only thing Lebron didnt do more than Wade, was shoot free throws and that is because when Wade flopped they gave him the call, whereas when Lebron drove they called a charge on him. If they gave Lebron that call, its an and 1, but to say that Wade had a bigger impact than Lebron is just untrue.

 

I wont even get into the fact that after Wade got hurt he barely even tried on defense. On the other hand Lebron basically manned every position besides for the 5.

 

Lebron may not be scoring 30, but he is giving the Heat a chance.

[bmags]

How did Wade do more than Lebron?

 

The refs just gave Wade a ton more free throws, you can rewatch the game but when Lebron gets hit, he wasnt getting the same calls as Wade. In no universe did Wade deserve 9 more free throws than Lebron. Furthermore, Wade contributed to 39 points (8 assists, 23 points), Lebron contributed to 37 points (10 assists, 17 points). and also had 10 rebounds (compared to Wade's 2).

 

Lebron took more shots than Wade, he made more shots than Wade, he had more assists than Wade, he had more rebounds than Wade.

 

The only thing Lebron didnt do more than Wade, was shoot free throws and that is because when Wade flopped they gave him the call, whereas when Lebron drove they called a charge on him. If they gave Lebron that call, its an and 1, but to say that Wade had a bigger impact than Lebron is just untrue.

 

I wont even get into the fact that after Wade got hurt he barely even tried on defense. On the other hand Lebron basically manned every position besides for the 5.

 

Lebron may not be scoring 30, but he is giving the Heat a chance.

 

*In more time.

[Soxbadger]

Wade only played 6 less minutes than his average.

 

Wade was -13 compared to Lebrons -11.

 

Meaning that in less time, Wade on the floor hurt Miami more than Lebron did.

[BigSqwert]

Meaning that in less time, Wade on the floor hurt Miami more than Lebron did.

 

LOL at people who use that dumb stat. Of course it doesn't take into consideration of who else is on the floor on both teams.

[bmags]

Wade only played 6 less minutes than his average.

 

Wade was -13 compared to Lebrons -11.

 

Meaning that in less time, Wade on the floor hurt Miami more than Lebron did.

 

Oh what a bunch of bulls***. Down the stretch what did you get out of lebron james? A bunch of jump shots (that he missed). What did you get out of Wade? Drives that lead to foul calls, and beautiful passes to Haslem for easy buckets. Lebron was effective when he started to post up, but he'll NEVER do that for long periods of time, because he doesn't want to go through the tough trial period where it's less effective than him facing the basket. I've seen what a Lebron James lead team looks like. It looks like 50 wins and no shot at a championship, but his stats are oh, so glorious and efficient.

[Jenksismyhero]

How did Wade do more than Lebron?

 

The refs just gave Wade a ton more free throws, you can rewatch the game but when Lebron gets hit, he wasnt getting the same calls as Wade. In no universe did Wade deserve 9 more free throws than Lebron. Furthermore, Wade contributed to 39 points (8 assists, 23 points), Lebron contributed to 37 points (10 assists, 17 points). and also had 10 rebounds (compared to Wade's 2).

 

Lebron took more shots than Wade, he made more shots than Wade, he had more assists than Wade, he had more rebounds than Wade.

 

The only thing Lebron didnt do more than Wade, was shoot free throws and that is because when Wade flopped they gave him the call, whereas when Lebron drove they called a charge on him. If they gave Lebron that call, its an and 1, but to say that Wade had a bigger impact than Lebron is just untrue.

 

I wont even get into the fact that after Wade got hurt he barely even tried on defense. On the other hand Lebron basically manned every position besides for the 5.

 

Lebron may not be scoring 30, but he is giving the Heat a chance.

 

This is one of those situations in sports where you can't use stats to prove your point. Anyone watching the Finals knows that Wade is the only reason Miami hasn't lost yet. He's been the best player on the court except for maybe Dirk. Whereas Lebron stands around and "facilitates," Wade is doing everything to keep his team in the game. The 4th quarter scoring, the timely offensive rebounds and put backs, the timely blocks....that's all Wade, not Lebron.

 

And certainly Lebron isn't LOSING games for the Heat, but he sure as hell isn't helping them close out games or win games in the 4th. How do you call yourself the best basketball player on the planet, in the self-admitted biggest game of your life, and score 2 (garbage) pts? How do you just stand around and waste possessions during crunch time? I'm so tired of people comparing Lebron to ANY of the all-time greats, let alone Michael Jordan.

 

I find it funny that Lebron has apologists around the country that are saying he got a triple double, he plays defense, expectations are too high, blah blah. Guess what, if he wasn't such an ego-centric asshole who claimed to be the best player in the history of the game before every setting foot on an NBA court, maybe NBA fans wouldn't have that opinion of him. But that's what he gets. He wanted all the attention, well, now he's got it, and he's failing miserably at proving the hype.

[BigSqwert]

This is one of those situations in sports where you can't use stats to prove your point. Anyone watching the Finals knows that Wade is the only reason Miami hasn't lost yet. He's been the best player on the court except for maybe Dirk. Whereas Lebron stands around and "facilitates," Wade is doing everything to keep his team in the game. The 4th quarter scoring, the timely offensive rebounds and put backs, the timely blocks....that's all Wade, not Lebron.

 

And certainly Lebron isn't LOSING games for the Heat, but he sure as hell isn't helping them close out games or win games in the 4th. How do you call yourself the best basketball player on the planet, in the self-admitted biggest game of your life, and score 2 (garbage) pts? How do you just stand around and waste possessions during crunch time? I'm so tired of people comparing Lebron to ANY of the all-time greats, let alone Michael Jordan.

 

I find it funny that Lebron has apologists around the country that are saying he got a triple double, he plays defense, expectations are too high, blah blah. Guess what, if he wasn't such an ego-centric asshole who claimed to be the best player in the history of the game before every setting foot on an NBA court, maybe NBA fans wouldn't have that opinion of him. But that's what he gets. He wanted all the attention, well, now he's got it, and he's failing miserably at proving the hype.

[Soxbadger]

You can diss plus/minus all you want, but it often times can give a pretty good indication of how a team played with players on the floor.

 

Im not even sure if you understand the stat, because it inherently does take into account who is on the floor, which is why players who play on the floor at similar times have similar stats.

 

And of course the stat has inherent flaws, but Im just not sure how any stat could show Wade was better than Lebron last night. Lebron just didnt get as many calls as Wade, and its hard to explain.