justBLAZE Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Source: Downs in agreement with #Angels - 3 yrs, $15M. Another $1M in incentives based on GF. Taking physical now. - Resenthal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 05:19 PM) Source: Downs in agreement with #Angels - 3 yrs, $15M. Another $1M in incentives based on GF. Taking physical now. - Resenthal All these relievers are getting a lot of money. Stupid Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 $5 mil isn't a lot for a quality reliever if he stays quality through the length of the deal. That's the main issue; reliever turnover due to regression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 KW gave Dotel and Linebrink more than $5 million per in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 05:25 PM) All these relievers are getting a lot of money. Stupid Detroit. If there is a guy who's worth it, it's Downs. He's been incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 06:31 PM) KW gave Dotel and Linebrink more than $5 million per in recent years. They were worth $5 mil going into year 1. They just weren't worth 5 mil in all of he other years of the contract. In fact, I'd offer Dotel a cheap contract and bring him back if we could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 05:27 PM) $5 mil isn't a lot for a quality reliever if he stays quality through the length of the deal. That's the main issue; reliever turnover due to regression. Your highest paid relievers from the '08/'09 offseason: Francisco Rodriguez 3/$37 Kerry Wood 2/$20.5 Brian Fuentes 2/$17.5 Damaso Marte 3/$12 Koji Uehara 2/$10 Kyle Farnsworth 2/$9.25 Jeremy Affeldt 2/$8 Juan Cruz 2/$6M Now how many of these guys have produced well enough over the past 2 seasons to justify the contract? Uehara? That's really all I got. How about the season before that? Francisco Cordero 4/$46 Scott Linebrink 4/$19 David Riske 3/$13 Octavio Dotel 2/$11 Eric Gagne 1/$10 Ron Mahay 2/$8 Troy Percival 2/$8 Luis Vizcaino 2/$7.5 Keith Foulke 1/$7 Masa Kobayashi 2/$6.5 Cordero? Maybe? Probably not. I'd say Dotel but others would probably disagree. That's the top 18 free agent relievers over 2 seasons and maybe 1-3 of them have panned out and that may be pushing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 06:47 PM) Now how many of these guys have produced well enough over the past 2 seasons to justify the contract? Uehara? That's really all I got. That's the top 18 free agent relievers over 2 seasons and maybe 1-3 of them have panned out and that may be pushing it. I agree with you. Downs is worth 5 mil for 2011. Whether he's worth 5 mil in 2012 and 2013 is the main problem with expensive relievers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 05:49 PM) I agree with you. Downs is worth 5 mil for 2011. Whether he's worth 5 mil in 2012 and 2013 is the main problem with expensive relievers. You don't even know that; out of the 18 pitchers above only 4 of them were any damn good in the first year of their deal (Uehara, Affelfdt, Linebrink, Dotel). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 05:57 PM) You don't even know that; out of the 18 pitchers above only 4 of them were any damn good in the first year of their deal (Uehara, Affelfdt, Linebrink, Dotel). Man, looking at that list is scary. I forgot about some of those. That Kobayashi deal was obscenely bad. You could actually go back quite a bit further also, when the Mets gave all that money to Schoenweis and Bradford and the O's gave out all that money to Jamie Walker the mediocre lefty specialist and whats-his-name, who pitched like a year in his whole contract, Baez. s***, just think about the best relievers we've had here in recent years. We've ended up hating just about all of them. Thornton is the one notable exception aside from guys on 1-year deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 06:13 PM) Man, looking at that list is scary. I forgot about some of those. That Kobayashi deal was obscenely bad. You could actually go back quite a bit further also, when the Mets gave all that money to Schoenweis and Bradford and the O's gave out all that money to Jamie Walker the mediocre lefty specialist and whats-his-name, who pitched like a year in his whole contract, Baez. s***, just think about the best relievers we've had here in recent years. We've ended up hating just about all of them. Thornton is the one notable exception aside from guys on 1-year deals. Looking at the top non-closer relievers in baseball in terms of xFIP over the past 3 seasons, we're crazy lucky because Thornton is far and away the best, most consistent and durable: Thornton - 3 seasons with a sub 2.80 xFIP, at least 60 IP in each season, lowest xFIP of any reliever (including closers) since 2008 Kuo - 1 season under 3.00, only 30 IP in '09 due to injury Mike Adams - Padre (f***ing Padre relievers), 1 season with a sub 3.00 xFIP, 37 IP in '09 due to shoulder surgery Belisle - 1 season with a sub 3.00 xFIP, 2 seasons with a 4.00+ xFIP, only 60 total IP in '08/'09 Madson - 1 sub 3.00 xFIP season Carlos Villanueva - 2 sub 4.00 xFIP seasons, 3.39 low, 15 games started in '08/'09 Wuertz - 1 sub 3.00 xFIP seasons, 2 seasons at 4.00+, only 39.2 IP last season due to injury Bard - 2 sub 4.00 xFIP seasons, 3.25 low, didn't pitch in 2008 Downs - 3 sub 4.00 xFIP seasons, 3.18 low, spent time on the 15 day DL 3 times in the past 3 seasons League - 3 sub 4.00 xFIP seasons, 3.26 low, 3.95 high, spent half of 2008 season in the minors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/12/ange...cott-downs.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) I work with his cousin (heard alot of stories about Downs). Looks like his "b*t*h" trophy wife (as his cousin likes to put it) will be very happy in LA. Edited December 11, 2010 by J.Reedfan8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Wonder if they are still looking at Soriano (Boras) or Downs is their main bullpen expenditure? They really have to bite the bullet and take Beltre and gamble he'll actually produce in a non-walk year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Dec 10, 2010 -> 11:02 PM) I work with his cousin (heard alot of stories about Downs). Looks like his "b*t*h" trophy wife (as his cousin likes to put it) will be very happy in LA. This post is worthless without pics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 11, 2010 -> 12:36 AM) This post is worthless without pics... This is the first Google image search returned for "Scott Downs Wife" http://blog.fpst.org/wp-content/uploads/20...uly2009-009.jpg I am guessing that is not her??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackemup Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Dec 11, 2010 -> 01:13 PM) This is the first Google image search returned for "Scott Downs Wife" http://blog.fpst.org/wp-content/uploads/20...uly2009-009.jpg I am guessing that is not her??? http://mopupduty.com/index.php/blue-jays-wives-girlfriends/ about half way down the page. maybe a trophy for participation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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