caulfield12 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 03:31 PM) Again mr. Gammons what is defense? Fancy plays in the hole? How many games/runs had he cost us with bonehead plays? A lot more than he's saved How many games has Rios had ANYTHING more than a negligible impact offensively on from July, 2010 until this current moment??? He's cost us at least a couple of games this season off the top of my head, but he clearly was the best SS in the AL defensively last year when he played next to Omar Vizquel after Teahen went down. Alexei is making $1.9 million this season, Rios $12 million. Edited July 6, 2011 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 04:34 PM) at least he avoided the sombrero today I guess that's a start..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 03:34 PM) Beckham is not a bust yet. If Beckham is a bust, then Crede is a bust. They have nearly identical stats through the same number of games. We got one fabulous post-season run and about 5 months of '06 out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 f*** it, change the lineup to this: Pierre Ramirez AJP Konerko Dunn Quentin Rios Beckham Morel It's not like bottom of the order does anything these days the way lineup is constructed, so put AJ in front of Konerko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 That's K 110 for Mr. done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 #110 for Dunn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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greg775 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 08:33 PM) No on both. KC still sucks even though they are beating us. I dunno. You would have Hosmer, Moustakas and Gordon and would be able to build your team from there without being saddled by the contracts of Dunn, Rios, et. all. And their middle relief is pretty damn good with a good to great closer. I think I'd take KC's with the ability to build from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 03:36 PM) f*** it, change the lineup to this: Pierre Ramirez AJP Konerko Dunn Quentin Rios Beckham Morel It's not like bottom of the order does anything these days the way lineup is constructed, so put AJ in front of Konerko I have been trying to come up with different lineups but honestly there are so many damn holes they all look terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 03:36 PM) We got one fabulous post-season run and about 5 months of '06 out of him. Thus far, he's had a bad first half in '10, and a bad first half in '11. Are you prepared to evaluate this on 2 bad half-seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Hector Santiago!!! The future is now!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 03:37 PM) I dunno. You would have Hosmer, Moustakas and Gordon and would be able to build your team from there without being saddled by the contracts of Dunn, Rios, et. all. And their middle relief is pretty damn good with a good to great closer. I think I'd take KC's with the ability to build from there. I can't disagree on the lineups switch. Other than Paulie and an inconsistent Alexei, I hate our lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 04:35 PM) How many games has Rios had ANYTHING more than a negligible impact offensively on from July, 2010 until this current moment??? He's cost us at least a couple of games this season off the top of my head, but he clearly was the best SS in the AL defensively last year when he played next to Omar Vizquel after Teahen went down. Alexei is making $1.9 million this season, Rios $12 million. Dude, I swear you mention rios in everything, yes he's bad actually horrible, but I think it's hypocritical that we beat up on rios and pierre and give a pass to others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 03:39 PM) Dude, I swear you mention rios in everything, yes he's bad actually horrible, but I think it's hypocritical that we beat up on rios and pierre and give a pass to others Where have you been? Other than Paulie, who's been getting a pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 the twins bullpen really has issues. Which, btw and imo, is far worse than having offensive issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 08:37 PM) I have been trying to come up with different lineups but honestly there are so many damn holes they all look terrible Not calling up Viciedo has turned into a joke, as you don't even have to bench Pierre to find him at bats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 03:37 PM) Thus far, he's had a bad first half in '10, and a bad first half in '11. Are you prepared to evaluate this on 2 bad half-seasons? His numbers across the board have trended downward for 3 seasons now. He's not 20 or 21. He'll be 25 soon and he was supposed to be this "advanced" hitter with a natural "feel" for the game. He's basically a fundamentally-challenged, mental midget. Edited July 6, 2011 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 04:39 PM) Where have you been? Other than Paulie, who's been getting a pass? Lexi... And I've been here. I don't go bonkers on every bad play like a lot here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Not calling up Viciedo is a fireable offense. Whoever is making that call should be fired today. I now officially expect nothing out of Beckham except good defense. He's another Morel to me. He's an average ballplayer, pretty blah really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Hector! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 08:41 PM) Not calling up Viciedo is a fireable offense. Whoever is making that call should be fired today. I now officially expect nothing out of Beckham except good defense. He's another Morel to me. He's an average ballplayer, pretty blah really. Greg...chill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 How did Hector look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 03:40 PM) Lexi... And I've been here. I don't go bonkers on every bad play like a lot here Lexi has had an average year. It's hard to single out someone that makes 90% of the rest of the lineup look like little leaguers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (JoshPR @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 03:39 PM) Dude, I swear you mention rios in everything, yes he's bad actually horrible, but I think it's hypocritical that we beat up on rios and pierre and give a pass to others Because I don't think he's maximizing his God-given ability. It's a waste, a shame, however you want to describe it. Dunn's just lost mentally. That's not about lack of effort...that's simply trying too hard and thinking too much. It just usually doesn't last for this long. If you want to compare, except for the first 2-3 months of 2010, Rios has been lost for almost 3 years at the plate. And his defense has deteriorated markedly this year. It's clear to everyone who follows the team closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 6, 2011 -> 08:40 PM) His numbers across the board have trended downward for 3 seasons now. He's not 20 or 21. He'll be 25 soon and he was supposed to be this "advanced" hitter with a natural "feel" for the game. He's basically a fundamentally-challenged, mental midget. Dustin Ackley looks real good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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