That's just it...EVERY move Kenny has made has been out of seemingly desperation. That's not what successful teams do.

 

A huge problem of late is that all of Kenny's big moves (outside of Peavy) have been made to clean up significant errors in talent evaluation that hurt the franchise in previous years.

 

Swisher's struggles led to Rios

Kotsay over Thome led to Dunn

Teahen's contract led to trading Jackson for Stewart/Frasor (I can't believe how much of a non-factor Frasor has been with the Sox).

That's just it...EVERY move Kenny has made has been out of seemingly desperation. That's not what successful teams do.

 

I wouldn't state every move, just since the failure of 07 season. HE and fans keep thinking the magic of 05 can somehow be "bought" again.

 

That's just it...EVERY move Kenny has made has been out of seemingly desperation. That's not what successful teams do.

They only appear that way when players flame out beyond anyone's most negative expectations.

A huge problem of late is that all of Kenny's big moves (outside of Peavy) have been made to clean up significant errors in talent evaluation that hurt the franchise in previous years.

 

Swisher's struggles led to Rios

Kotsay over Thome led to Dunn

Teahen's contract led to trading Jackson for Stewart/Frasor (I can't believe how much of a non-factor Frasor has been with the Sox).

 

Exactly...he keeps reaching to fix a previous f*** up. Reactive instead of proactive.

Teahen's contract led to trading Jackson for Stewart/Frasor (I can't believe how much of a non-factor Frasor has been with the Sox).

 

I still think alot of that is pitching in his hometown. Not everyone can come to their own city and be Derrick Rose. Just my opinion though.

I still think alot of that is pitching in his hometown. Not everyone can come to their own city and be Derrick Rose. Just my opinion though.

I would buy that if it was like...well Derrick Rose or someone of that ilk but Jason Frasor? Not buying it there.

I would buy that if it was like...well Derrick Rose or someone of that ilk but Jason Frasor? Not buying it there.

 

It doesn't matter if it was f***ing Jason Grilli, it is still a ton of pressure for anyone. Hell, I remember when I was nervous as all hell to play in downtown Chicago in tournaments against other midwest states... in freaking high school ball. Not trying to make excuses for the guy though, he is a professional.

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I really hope KW gets the boot. Peavy, Dunn, Rios. all s***ty signings.

 

I've only read the first page, but it's fairly obvious that he's being sarcastic.

Exactly...he keeps reaching to fix a previous f*** up. Reactive instead of proactive.

 

So he should be proactive and fix what isn't broken and ignore the problems? What GM does that? Every GM is trying to shore up weak spots first.

As long as another injury doesn't occur, I think 2012 will be his finest season with the White Sox. There were flashes of dominance. Personally, I would like to see him finish out the season. I think pitching now would help him for next year, but they pay people a lot of money to make that determination.

 

His "finest season with the White Sox" would be what, 8 wins or so, and less than two trips to the DL?

 

The guy's clearly a steroid casualty. He hasn't been right since the league got tough on the gas.

 

However, Peavy now has more time for those condescending lectures to his teammates about how they need to get tougher and start acting like winners.

 

Yes, Jake Peavy telling teammates to get tougher . . . ah, the irony . . .

His "finest season with the White Sox" would be what, 8 wins or so, and less than two trips to the DL?

 

The guy's clearly a steroid casualty. He hasn't been right since the league got tough on the gas.

 

However, Peavy now has more time for those condescending lectures to his teammates about how they need to get tougher and start acting like winners.

 

Yes, Jake Peavy telling teammates to get tougher . . . ah, the irony . . .

 

So him ripping a muscle off a bone is due to riods? Wow.. That is just down right moronic to state that.

His "finest season with the White Sox" would be what, 8 wins or so, and less than two trips to the DL?

 

The guy's clearly a steroid casualty. He hasn't been right since the league got tough on the gas.

 

However, Peavy now has more time for those condescending lectures to his teammates about how they need to get tougher and start acting like winners.

 

Yes, Jake Peavy telling teammates to get tougher . . . ah, the irony . . .

 

...the f***?

So him ripping a muscle off a bone is due to riods? Wow.. That is just down right moronic to state that.

 

That one reliever blew up his elbow due to steroids. Pulling a muscle off the bone seems possible. Take it easy with the attacks. I truly don't believe you'll last long here.

So him ripping a muscle off a bone is due to riods? Wow.. That is just down right moronic to state that.

 

You obviously don't follow professionally wrestling if you don't think these crazy, unique muscle-ripping injuries can't be caused by steroids. As for Peavy, who the hell knows. Anyone who shined during the steroid era is up for debate.

That one reliever blew up his elbow due to steroids. Pulling a muscle off the bone seems possible. Take it easy with the attacks. I truly don't believe you'll last long here.

 

No, it doesn't.. There has never been anything reporting or speculation. It seems like a hate filled rant, nothing more.

No, it doesn't.. There has never been anything reporting or speculation. It seems like a hate filled rant, nothing more.

 

The lack of reports means that he didn't do steroids. I remember all of that speculation about Pablo Ozuna juicing up.

 

EDIT: And seriously, how freaking pigheaded can one be to say that it is absolutely not possible for someone to pull a muscle off of the bone due to steroids?

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The lack of reports means that he didn't do steroids. I remember all of that speculation about Pablo Ozuna juicing up.

 

EDIT: And seriously, how freaking pigheaded can one be to say that it is absolutely not possible for someone to pull a muscle off of the bone due to steroids?

 

Are you serious?

Are you serious?

 

Are you? Do you know anything about steroids and the capabilities they endow when abused?

Are you? Do you know anything about steroids and the capabilities they endow when abused?

 

Yes, and yes...

 

Let's talk about Paulie injury this year.. It had to be because of riods, cause how else do we explain it..

 

Lilly, his broken hand was due to riods.. It just had to be, nothing else.

 

Do you see how insane this is to state that.. There is no evidence, just speculation and hate.

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Yes, and yes...

 

Let's talk about Paulie injury this year.. It had to be because of riods, cause how else do we explain it..

 

Lilly, his broken hand was due to riods.. It just had to be, nothing else.

 

Do you see how insane this is to state that.. There is no evidence, just speculation and hate.

 

No, I did not say that it surely was steroids. That was another poster. I'm saying that it's foolish to completely write off the possibility. And it is.

 

The Lillibridge injury comparison is absolutely off, as it was due to a baseball off of the hand. Peavy tore his own muscle off of the bone.

No, I did not say that it surely was steroids. That was another poster. I'm saying that it's foolish to completely write off the possibility. And it is.

 

The Lillibridge injury comparison is absolutely off, as it was due to a baseball off of the hand. Peavy tore his own muscle off of the bone.

 

Unless you have anything outside of speculation.. Our Conversation is done.

Unless you have anything outside of speculation.. Our Conversation is done.

 

Speculation was the entire premise of the conversation. You're saying that someone can't even theorize that Peavy's injury was related to steroids, or even that he may have ever used them. I'm saying that it is certainly fair game. The era in which he has played, his abundance of injuries over the seasons, the fact that he managed to tear his own muscle off of the bone, and his fairly rapid decline all lend at least some credence the the possibility that he may have been using steroids. It's much more foolish to pronounce him above suspicion than to allow for the possibility that it could have happened.

Speculation was the entire premise of the conversation. You're saying that someone can't even theorize that Peavy's injury was related to steroids, or even that he may have ever used them. I'm saying that it is certainly fair game. The era in which he has played, his abundance of injuries over the seasons, the fact that he managed to tear his own muscle off of the bone, and his fairly rapid decline all lend at least some credence the the possibility that he may have been using steroids. It's much more foolish to pronounce him above suspicion than to allow for the possibility that it could have happened.

 

Guy rootz for Ozzie, you expect him to listen to logic?

Guy rootz for Ozzie, you expect him to listen to logic?

 

You make sense. Perhaps I should take my own advice concerning another poster.

You make sense. Perhaps I should take my own advice concerning another poster.

 

I did.