Marty34 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:40 PM) Actually, there's plenty of reason to think it could be a lot higher next year if he cuts down on the blown saves and snaps off a complete season. He's a 60 inning reliever with excellent K numbers. Deal him now, he will not be missed in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 07:10 PM) He's a 60 inning reliever with excellent K numbers. Deal him now, he will not be missed in 2014. For what, another reliever that if we're lucky will be as good as he is in 3 years when Santos is still under our control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 You guys are wasting your energy, ignore is a beautiful thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 03:10 PM) He's a 60 inning reliever with excellent K numbers. Deal him now, he will not be missed in 2014. Yeah, I doubt we'll be thinking about pitchers when BLOOD IS FALLING FROM THE SKY FOR NO REASON!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:10 PM) He's a 60 inning reliever with excellent K numbers. Deal him now, he will not be missed in 2014. Neither will the prospect who we get for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 03:03 PM) I am all for a rebuilding process. I just don't want a half ass job at it. Lets trade the following players Konerko Danks Floyd AJ Crain Thornton Quentin Ohman Also try to find several suckers to take Dunn, Peavy and Rios. I would be sad to see Buehrle leave but the 2 draft picks will be nice. Pretty sure MB is only a type B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 06:13 PM) The lineup I somewhat expect to see: 1. De Aza LF 2. Alexei SS 3. Dunn DH (ugh) 4. Konerko 1B 5. Viciedo RF 6. Flowers C 7.Rios CF 8. Morel 3B 9. Beckham 2B Pitching Buehrle Peavy Sale Humber Axelrod/Stewart Pen Ohman Stewart/Axelrod Reed Santiago Frasor Santos Crain But that team you list will include players we get for Danks and Floyd. Are you saying those will be minor leaguers? You lineup looks like the team. Seriously will it be the slowest team in the history of baseball? Those guys better hit a ton of home runs. Very very slow. Maybe slowest team in Sox history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:11 PM) For what, another reliever that if we're lucky will be as good as he is in 3 years when Santos is still under our control? well, no. I mean if he is as valuable as many think, the return should be excellent, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:14 PM) But that team you list will include players we get for Danks and Floyd. Are you saying those will be minor leaguers? You lineup looks like the team. Seriously will it be the slowest team in the history of baseball? Those guys better hit a ton of home runs. Very very slow. Maybe slowest team in Sox history? Like I said, we cannot speculate who we get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:12 PM) Yeah, I doubt we'll be thinking about pitchers when BLOOD IS FALLING FROM THE SKY FOR NO REASON!!! is this related to he nastiness of blue jays? (see game thread) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:14 PM) You lineup looks like the team. Seriously will it be the slowest team in the history of baseball? Very very slow. Maybe slowest team in Sox history? No No No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) No No No I actually only see maybe 3 slow guys in that lineup. Pretty quick actually. DA Alexei Viciedo Flowers Rios Becks Morel Can all take the extra base with ease. Edited September 28, 2011 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 07:27 PM) No No No Do you not agree that this team is a disaster unless these guys lift and pull career high home run totals? Speed? . De Aza LF - good speed. 2. Alexei SS - can at least score on a single when he's on second; can't steal bases 3. Dunn DH (ugh) - slow as an ox. 4. Konerko 1B - oh so slow. 5. Viciedo RF - slow but can score from second on a single I think. 6. Flowers C - slow. 7.Rios CF - fast. 8. Morel 3B - slow. 9. Beckham 2B - can score on a single from second; can't steal. Quentin if he's here - slow. Can score on a single from second. I guess I could be mistaken about flowers and morel. Edited September 28, 2011 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I can tell you stopped watching the Sox months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:32 PM) Do you not agree that this team is a disaster unless these guys lift and pull career high home run totals? Speed? . De Aza LF - good speed. 2. Alexei SS - can at least score on a single when he's on second; can't steal bases 3. Dunn DH (ugh) - slow as an ox. 4. Konerko 1B - oh so slow. 5. Viciedo RF - slow but can score from second on a single I think. 6. Flowers C - slow. 7.Rios CF - fast. 8. Morel 3B - slow. 9. Beckham 2B - can score on a single from second; can't steal. Quentin if he's here - slow. Can score on a single from second. I guess I could be mistaken about flowers and morel. Morel and Viciedo aren't slow. Neither are Mike Trout but they're far from base cloggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Williams said in the Haugh column today that 2012 does not matter. The 2012 lineup should be the least of our concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 07:33 PM) I can tell you stopped watching the Sox months ago. I admit my take on this one may be off base. Morel and Flowers aren't speed demons though, are they? I guess Beckham has potential to steal some bases. Lexi is not a base stealer IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:41 PM) I admit my take on this one may be off base. Morel and Flowers aren't speed demons though, are they? I guess Beckham has potential to steal some bases. Lexi is not a base stealer IMO. I hope we arent predicated on stealing bases to score runs. Flowers is actually pretty quick as is Morel. Konerko and Dunn are really the only base cloggers I listed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 03:41 PM) I admit my take on this one may be off base. Morel and Flowers aren't speed demons though, are they? I guess Beckham has potential to steal some bases. Lexi is not a base stealer IMO. At this point, a "Base stealer" is the last thing I want. I want good ballplayers. If they happen to steal bases, they better do so successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 07:39 PM) Williams said in the Haugh column today that 2012 does not matter. The 2012 lineup should be the least of our concerns. Good, 2012 shouldn't matter. If Dunn and Rios don't turn it around, it's very unlikely any possible moves he could make to improve the team would push the Sox over the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 04:07 PM) Good, 2012 shouldn't matter. If Dunn and Rios don't turn it around, it's very unlikely any possible moves he could make to improve the team would push the Sox over the top. And if they do turn it around, team might well win the whole thing anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 03:06 PM) At this point, a "Base stealer" is the last thing I want. I want good ballplayers. If they happen to steal bases, they better do so successfully. I hope we stop it with the small ball bulls*** immediately. De Aza has the green light, everyone else should be focused on taking the extra base on contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 04:10 PM) I hope we stop it with the small ball bulls*** immediately. De Aza has the green light, everyone else should be focused on taking the extra base on contact. De Aza only has the green light as long as he uses it wisely. I can't even imagine the ozzie defenders enjoyed seeing the 2 out, 2 strike caught stealing that everyone knew was coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) Good, 2012 shouldn't matter. If Dunn and Rios don't turn it around, it's very unlikely any possible moves he could make to improve the team would push the Sox over the top. The 2012 roster is set. Let Juan go. Trade three (maybe all four) of Quentin, Thorton, Danks and Floyd Resign Mark If Peavy, Rios, Beckham and Dunn have bounce back years they can contend if they do not it will be 2011 all over again. If De Aza, Lillibridge, Viciedo, Flowers and Morel mature as a natural progression along with the young pitching they will be fine. It may not look great to baseball prospectus but with some health, luck and a manager that cares, it may work out well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Let's face it, if the Tigers go out and sign someone like Reyes and get superior seasons again from Fister/Avila/Peralta...we tip our cap to them. Sox have to win with what they currently have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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