cabiness42 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I honestly dont give a s*** about Paterno being involved, the guy is dead. The more important players here are the trustees and the administrators who swept this under the rug because of football and finances. Given his estate's massive net worth, the victims most definitely give a s*** about Paterno being involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Joe Paterno doesnt have more money than PSU, so the deeper pocket is still PSU. Furthermore, Paterno is dead, so all of those assets are no longer his. They are either with a beneficiary or in a trust for the benefit of a beneficiary. Regardless, suing Paterno would be nonsensical, unless you are going to make a claim against his estate, which you dont need to see the will to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 11:27 AM) Given his estate's massive net worth, the victims most definitely give a s*** about Paterno being involved. If all they care about is money that is, which is the defense's only point so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 12:23 PM) I think it may even go higher than PSU. Some things Ive read suggest that 2nd Mile has some really powerful people involved. Here's the honorary board of directors list as it stood at the time this broke, some of the people immediately contacted and tried to have their names removed.. I'm sure this appeared somewhere in this thread before, but hey, why not. Board of Directors: Honorary Board John R. Cappelletti - Retired PSU & NFL Football Player, Heisman Trophy Winner R. R. M. Carpenter, III - Former Owner, Philadelphia Phillies James E. Ford - Retired Vice President, Kmart William A. Gettig - President, Gettig Technologies, Inc. Jack Ham - Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame Franco Harris - Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame Lou Holtz - Retired Football Coach, Sportscaster, and Motivational Speaker Dr. Bryce Jordan - Retired, Penn State University President Willi Maier - President, Omni Plastics, Inc. Matt Millen - ESPN Football Analyst Arnold D. Palmer - President, Arnold Palmer Enterprises Joseph V. Paterno - Head Football Coach, Penn State University Andy Reid - Head Football Coach, Philadelphia Eagles Dr. John Reidell - General Surgeon, Past Second Mile Board President Cal Ripken, Jr. - Former ML Baseball Shortstop, President & CEO of Ripken Baseball, Inc. Dominic Toscani - Owner & President, Paris Business Forms Richard Vermeil - Retired NFL Head Coach, (Kansas City Chiefs, St. Louis Rams, Philadelphia Eagles) Mark Wahlberg - Actor, Rapper, and Film & TV Producer Verne Willaman - Retired Chairman and President, Ortho Pharmaceutical Corp. Quentin Wood - Retired Chairman and CEO, Quaker State Oil Refining Corp. Richard A. Zimmerman - Retired Chairman of the Board, Hershey Foods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 11:08 AM) Not only is it unfounded, your accusation doesnt even make sense. How would a will tell you where Paterno got his money from? All the will says is where he wants his money and belongings to go. Its not an accounting, it doesnt show how he earned the money. Completely unfounded, perhaps he gave money to some of the victims due to the massive amount of guilt he felt. Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 12:39 PM) Completely unfounded, perhaps he gave money to some of the victims due to the massive amount of guilt he felt. Who knows? And if he did that the victim could come forward and tell people they got money. As I said, its completely unfounded. Famous people seal their wills all the time, they dont want the public going and making copies and doing strange stuff with it. I know I would seal my will if I could, why would I ever want random people being able to look into my business after I die? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 12:20 PM) Here's the honorary board of directors list as it stood at the time this broke, some of the people immediately contacted and tried to have their names removed.. I'm sure this appeared somewhere in this thread before, but hey, why not. Wow. Also...since this is a state university, can the state be held responsible? Meaning, could the victims sue the state of Penn.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 02:31 PM) Wow. Also...since this is a state university, can the state be held responsible? Meaning, could the victims sue the state of Penn.? It's actually some sort of quasi-state university. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 03:31 PM) Wow. Also...since this is a state university, can the state be held responsible? Meaning, could the victims sue the state of Penn.? I'm pretty sure the liability would stop at the top of Penn State unless there was some active involvement in the coverup by a state official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 QUOTE (G&T @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 02:36 PM) It's actually some sort of quasi-state university. Yeah, its pretty much a private school as it isnt subject to records laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 02:41 PM) Yeah, its pretty much a private school as it isnt subject to records laws. Though if there is reason to suspect university officials in official capacities took place in a crime, a lot those protections go right out the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) It really doesnt matter. Penn State has money and makes money. It has thousands of students paying money every semester, its not very difficult to freeze a PSU bank account and get a turnover order. Why even worry about the state, it just would result in unnecessary litigation. Edited June 14, 2012 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Well that settles that: http://t.co/ugvuZdqz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 14, 2012 -> 02:52 PM) It really doesnt matter. Penn State has money and makes money. It has thousands of students paying money every semester, its not very difficult to freeze a PSU bank account and get a turnover order. Why even worry about the state, it just would result in unnecessary litigation. Just curious if the victims sued PSU, they were also suing the state. Or if PSU and the State University system in Penn was a separate entity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I have no idea without looking at the corporate documents. I imagine that Penn State its a separate entity, but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 11:03 AM) Just curious if the victims sued PSU, they were also suing the state. Or if PSU and the State University system in Penn was a separate entity. I think the best answer is, yes, they will also be suing the state. Whether the victims will be able to recover against the state is more complicated. I imagine there will be a fight between PSU and PA to determine where any recovery will come from. I imagine, in the end, PSU will be paying out of their endowment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 The defense is starting their case today, and they open with a couple former PSU coaches stating that they used to shower with little boys too, it's normal, nothing wrong with that. WE ARE PENN STATE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 10:34 AM) Major New Evidence in Sandusky Case Full blown cover up, because it wouldn't be fair to expose Sandusky. Everyone. Hang. I'm still good with my original suggestion of razing the entire campus to the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 A lot of places are saying Sandusky will testify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 19, 2012 -> 02:09 PM) A lot of places are saying Sandusky will testify. I want your honest assessment with what you have observed, do you think he is going to be cleared? I have a very icky feeling in my stomach that he will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Without being there it is very very difficult to tell. The entire case is credibility, without actually seeing the testimony, its hard to tell if the jurors think any of the victims lied. If I had to bet, I would say that it is very unlikely that Sandusky is acquitted of all charges. There are 52 of them, I cant really find exactly what all 52 are, but my guess is some of them are very broad/vague, where it would really take a disconnect for the jury to find him not guilty. But when it comes to celebrity cases and juries, you just really never know. If Sandusky was really respected in the PSU community, the jury very well could make a strange decision. But I believe Sandusky will be convicted of something. Today the defense did better, they got in evidence that the police may have been coaching victims. Its pretty damaging because it allows the defense to argue that if it happened to 1 victim, its likely that all victims were coached, etc. They really havent put in any evidence why there might have been a conspiracy against Sandusky, that probably was a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I'm going to guess a hung jury on a significant number of those charges. "It only takes one." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Here's a good graphic from OnwardState.com summarizing the charges: http://onwardstate.com/wp-content/uploads/...IC_updated3.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Yeah some of those charges like, corruption of minors, endangering the welfare of a minor, unlawful contact are much easier for a jury to convict on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 the defense rests, Sandusky does not take the stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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