I disagree, his track record still means quite a bit and makes last year look like an outlier as opposed to the norm. Basic statistics would probably back that up.

 

Second:

 

1. Danks

2. Floyd

3. Humber

4. Peavy

5. Sale

 

 

Doesnt look like it could make the playoffs for us in the ALC? I think its a good rotation and could be better if Sale projects like I think he will.

 

There are off years, and then there's Adam Dunn's 2011. He just whiffed three times looking as I typed that. Honestly, I'd rather have Doug Fister over anybody outside of maybe Danks in that possible rotation for 2012.

There are off years, and then there's Adam Dunn's 2011. He just whiffed three times looking as I typed that. Honestly, I'd rather have Doug Fister over anybody outside of maybe Danks in that possible rotation for 2012.

Yes, but based on his ENTIRE career that was a complete outlier. All signs and basic math point to that not happening again.

 

Second, Doug Fister was exceptional last season. I would take him over Peavy and Humber in a heartbeat. I still think Sale is a future Ace.

And KW is apparently trying to make my other post talking about the trades look completely false. At the moment Buehrle is gone and Danks and Floyd are beginning to look like deadline trades.

 

I don't trust KW's judgement on deadline deals after last years debacle...

 

Though I think there's no chance the team will be anywhere near the top of the division come July 31st so the decision will made for him. Hopefully there are some desperate teams willing to pay for pitching.

RV said wait this week and find out who our closer will be... I wonder if we are going to make a trade for a closer

Yes, but based on his ENTIRE career that was a complete outlier. All signs and basic math point to that not happening again.

 

Adam Dunn isn't a statistical model, though. There's no guarantee that he'll return to the 'norm'

Yes, but based on his ENTIRE career that was a complete outlier. All signs and basic math point to that not happening again.

 

Second, Doug Fister was exceptional last season. I would take him over Peavy and Humber in a heartbeat. I still think Sale is a future Ace.

 

Will agree to disagree on Dunn. I expect nothing from him next year. I know how good Fister was. That's my point. He's the Tigers #3 starter. He'd probably be our ace. I hope you're right about Sale, obviously. But I'm realistic. He's more than likely going to be up and down in '12.

RV said wait this week and find out who our closer will be... I wonder if we are going to make a trade for a closer

 

That would be an odd move.

 

Trade for a closer? Huh?

RV said wait this week and find out who our closer will be... I wonder if we are going to make a trade for a closer

I took that to mean he would wait to see who was left. Thornton, Frasor, and Crain could all be gone for all we know.

RV said wait this week and find out who our closer will be... I wonder if we are going to make a trade for a closer

Who is RV?

 

Who is RV?

 

Robin Ventura. Don't trip. Took me a minute to figure that out.

Who is RV?

 

Robin Ventura

Will agree to disagree on Dunn. I expect nothing from him next year. I know how good Fister was. That's my point. He's the Tigers #3 starter. He'd probably be our ace. I hope you're right about Sale, obviously. But I'm realistic. He's more than likely going to be up and down in '12.

Dunn is obviously a question mark, we are just on two different sides of the wait and see approach.

 

Fister only has 2 seasons of MLB ball under him, I would give him a little more time to anoint him a possible Ace for any staff. Of course Verlander makes any staff that much tougher. Surprisingly enough Det's major weakness last season was their pitching. Offensively they were much stronger and IMO they have some regression candidates.

Here's a fact for you guys...

 

Nobody here has ever sat through am MLB trade negotiation. Nobody here knows what we could have gotten or should have gotten. Nobody here really knows the market for a closer 3 years removed from being a SS bust. Nobody knows what it really takes to land a top 50 type prospect.

 

It seems the Sox have an organizational philosophy for pitching. You have to throw strikes to pitch here. This kid throws strikes.

Here's a fact for you guys...

 

Nobody here has ever sat through am MLB trade negotiation. Nobody here knows what we could have gotten or should have gotten. Nobody here really knows the market for a closer 3 years removed from being a SS bust. Nobody knows what it really takes to land a top 50 type prospect.

 

It seems the Sox have an organizational philosophy for pitching. You have to throw strikes to pitch here. This kid throws strikes.

 

But we do have a centuries worth of case studies of trades happening in this league. Some trade negotiators make great trades and some make really bad ones. They are not all equal.

But we do have a centuries worth of case studies of trades happening in this league. Some trade negotiators make great trades and some make really bad ones. They are not all equal.

 

The idea that no one outside of MLB can evaluate whether a trade is good or bad is pretty ridiculous.

1. Peavy

2. Sale

3. Humber

4. Axelrod

5. Stewart

 

Can't wait to send that season ticket deposit in!!!!! 2012 season is over. Dunnnn!!!

1. Peavy

2. Sale

3. Humber

4. Axelrod

5. Stewart

 

Can't wait to send that season ticket deposit in!!!!! 2012 season is over. Dunnnn!!!

 

I just send the Sox 5 grand for my season tickets. Will be a lot of fun seeing a lot of young stars

The idea that no one outside of MLB can evaluate whether a trade is good or bad is pretty ridiculous.

So is the idea that 99% of us, who had no idea who Nestor Molina even was 130 minutes ago, can have an informed opinion at this point, is pretty ridiculous as well.

 

This is going to be one of those deals where you just wait and see...

So is the idea that 99% of us, who had no idea who Nestor Molina even was 130 minutes ago, can have an informed opinion at this point, is pretty ridiculous as well.

 

This is going to be one of those deals where you just wait and see...

 

That he was a generally unknown AA converted pitching prospect says something, though.

I'm really surprised by all the outrage over this trade, Santos was basically a waiver claim that KW was able to flip for a top 50 prospect. Sounds like a pretty good return on investment.

 

 

So, I guess if you found a $ 100 bill on the ground you would be okay to trade it for a hamburger?

 

The Sox gave away an excellent closer that was young and very cheap. Now, a good starting pitcher is def. worth more than a closer. So, if this kid becomes, within a few years, an excellent starting pitcher for many years then the Sox did good.

 

But, that seems to be very debatable right now on this kid since he's only thrown 22 innings above A ball. If he ends up in the bullpen then the Sox got fleeced. And, if he ends up just a so-so starting pitcher at the big league level then the Sox blew a chance to get a better return for a valuable piece like Santos.

 

Molina might be great but right now the return looks light for Santos because the Sox only got 1 prospect and the reports on him vary quite a bit.

That he was a generally unknown AA converted pitching prospect says something, though.

He wasn't generally unknown to those who make it their business to know these things.

 

I would love to know how many AA pitching prospects you or BMags could name off the top of your heads at 11 am this morning.

Who has him ranked as a Top 50 prospect? I've seen that referenced a few times now.

The idea that no one outside of MLB can evaluate whether a trade is good or bad is pretty ridiculous.

The idea that anybody here knows the true value of Santos is even more ridiculous.

 

I like Santos, but he's brink down 2 years in a row. His slider is tough to repeat. When its not working, he's worthless. Perhaps other GMs also noted that.

He wasn't generally unknown to those who make it their business to know these things.

 

Right, I'm not sure that was really a strong point. But reports are pretty mixed right now, with some seeing his ceiling as a middle-of-the-rotation guy and others as middle-of-the-bullpen caliber.

 

I would love to know how many AA pitching prospects you or BMags could name off the top of your heads at 11 am this morning.

 

Zero!