Let's preface this by saying, I don't think anyone here claims post surgery, Jake Peavy is an ace, but considering his recent starts and his career 5.57 post season ERA, if Justin Verlander gives up 3 runs tonight, its obvious using Soxtalk standards, JVINNA.

Let's preface this by saying, I don't think anyone here claims post surgery, Jake Peavy is an ace, but considering his recent starts and his career 5.57 post season ERA, if Justin Verlander gives up 3 runs tonight, its obvious using Soxtalk standards, JVINNA.

 

 

Comparing Peavy to Verlander, well done.

 

Comparing Peavy to Verlander, well done.

I'm not, I just said no one here says Peavy is an ace considering the surgery he had. Verlander is considered an ace, but the things pointed out that supposedly prove Peavy was never an ace seems very similar to things that could be pointed out about Verlander. So 3 runs tonight, JVINAA.

I'm not, I just said no one here says Peavy is an ace considering the surgery he had. Verlander is considered an ace, but the things pointed out that supposedly prove Peavy was never an ace seems very similar to things that could be pointed out about Verlander. So 3 runs tonight, JVINAA.

 

What's Verlander's record vs the Sox over the last 4 years? Peavy's been beaten up all year by 3 of the 4 teams in the AL Central.

I'm not, I just said no one here says Peavy is an ace considering the surgery he had. Verlander is considered an ace, but the things pointed out that supposedly prove Peavy was never an ace seems very similar to things that could be pointed out about Verlander. So 3 runs tonight, JVINAA.

 

07/20 vs. CWS: 8 IP, 4 H, 2 BB, 2 ER, 6 K

09/02 vs. CWS: 8 IP, 4 H, 2 BB, 1 ER, 11 K

 

He's already done it twice this year, not even looking at his 2011 when he carried his team. And 3 runs isn't bad. Not finishing the 6th inning is a problem IMO.

 

Is it too much to ask Peavy to pitch like that once in a big game? Or I guess it's OK if he has 9 strikeouts and tries really hard.

Verlander career postseason ERA - >5.5

 

Career August ERA - 4.2

Career September ERA - 3.8

 

JVINAA

Verlander career postseason ERA - >5.5

 

Career August ERA - 4.2

Career September ERA - 3.8

 

JVINAA

 

This is silly, as no one considered Verlander an ace until 2009. Since that time, he's been very good in August and September.

This is silly, as no one considered Verlander an ace until 2009. Since that time, he's been very good in August and September.

 

Who considers post-surgery Peavy an ace?

07/20 vs. CWS: 8 IP, 4 H, 2 BB, 2 ER, 6 K

09/02 vs. CWS: 8 IP, 4 H, 2 BB, 1 ER, 11 K

 

He's already done it twice this year, not even looking at his 2011 when he carried his team. And 3 runs isn't bad. Not finishing the 6th inning is a problem IMO.

 

Is it too much to ask Peavy to pitch like that once in a big game? Or I guess it's OK if he has 9 strikeouts and tries really hard.

Conveniently you left off his recent starts against KC and the Angels where he allowed 14 runs in 11.2 innings. That, plus his over 5.50 postseason ERA confirms by Soxtalk standards he's not an ace. Even last year, in 4 postseason starts he went 20 innings and gave up 12 runs which is 4 starts of 5 innings 3 runs, exactly what everyone is so all over Peavy about. Certainly not ace-like.

 

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Conveniently you left off his recent starts against KC and the Angels where he allowed 14 runs in 11.2 innings. That, plus his over 5.50 postseason ERA confirms by Soxtalk standards he's not an ace. Even last year, in 4 postseason starts he went 20 innings and gave up 12 runs which is 4 starts of 5 innings 3 runs, exactly what everyone is so all over Peavy about. Certainly not ace-like.

 

JVINAA

 

What do those starts have to do with anything?

 

I want Jake Peavy to once, in a big game, shut the opponent down. Just once.

What do those starts have to do with anything?

 

I want Jake Peavy to once, in a big game, shut the opponent down. Just once.

Verlander is supposedly an ace. His team is in second place. Getting lit up like J4L on a Friday night certainly isn't ace-like.

Verlander is supposedly an ace. His team is in second place. Getting lit up like J4L on a Friday night certainly isn't ace-like.

 

Any pitcher who is not in first place with a 1.00 ERA is not an ace. You win.

If you don't think Verlander's last two starts weren't "big games" when his team is trying desperately to fight its way into first place, regardless of the opponent not being the Sox, you have a serious double-standard. Verlander choked in both.

If you don't think Verlander's last two starts weren't "big games" when his team is trying desperately to fight its way into first place, regardless of the opponent not being the Sox, you have a serious double-standard. Verlander choked in both.

 

And in his other 5 starts he averaged 7.2 IP with 1.4 ER per start, including a Sunday night lockdown of the 1st place White Sox.

 

I never said I expected a pitcher to be perfect or to never lose a start. I just ask that my highest paid pitcher, who is hyped up as a competitior that brings 120% every start, has an ace-like performance in a must-win game once in a while. Not just a nearly quality start.

 

And in his other 5 starts he averaged 7.2 IP with 1.4 ER per start, including a Sunday night lockdown of the 1st place White Sox.

 

I never said I expected a pitcher to be perfect or to never lose a start. I just ask that my highest paid pitcher, who is hyped up as a competitior that brings 120% every start, has an ace-like performance in a must-win game once in a while. Not just a nearly quality start.

No one has said he's an ace. His salary is irrelevant. He had major surgery. Most on this board, even the people complaining about him would have to admit he's exceeded their expectations.

What does "choke" mean. Isn't it just a matter of opinion more or less?

No one has said he's an ace. His salary is irrelevant. He had major surgery. Most on this board, even the people complaining about him would have to admit he's exceeded their expectations.

 

Then why is everyone disagreeing with my thread title for?

 

I disagree that salary is irrelevant. It has hamstrung the Sox from signing other players, so the closer he produces to his value, the better.

 

He has had an outstanding season and has been a big part of the Sox success. Except for when he has faced Detroit, which is frustrating as hell. And for someone who hypes up his own attitude & desire, how about you beat your teams biggest rival when it matters? Don't just keep the Sox offense in the game, how about you once win the game despite the offense?

 

No one has said he's an ace. His salary is irrelevant. He had major surgery. Most on this board, even the people complaining about him would have to admit he's exceeded their expectations.

DA. You are the MVP of this thread!!!

What does "choke" mean. Isn't it just a matter of opinion more or less?

Kind of like the definition of the word "ace". Entirely subjective.

 

DA. You are the MVP of this thread!!!

 

Not by unanimous vote, that's for sure.

Its a lucky thing I didn't close this thread. This whole site has been terrible to be on the past couple of days. That said, I know the importance of venting frustrations and the Sox play vs. the Tigers has been nothing short of incredibly frustrating.

No one has said he's an ace. His salary is irrelevant. He had major surgery. Most on this board, even the people complaining about him would have to admit he's exceeded their expectations.

Awesome post, I think I stated something similar. I wish Humber, Floyd and a few others had the heart that Jake has..

No one has said he's an ace. His salary is irrelevant. He had major surgery. Most on this board, even the people complaining about him would have to admit he's exceeded their expectations.

 

He's a good pitcher. But is he a Mark Buehrle? f*** no.

He's a good pitcher. But is he a Mark Buehrle? f*** no.

 

 

Post of the Day.

 

Extra bonus points available for Royals' shout out, but not included here.

Its a lucky thing I didn't close this thread. This whole site has been terrible to be on the past couple of days. That said, I know the importance of venting frustrations and the Sox play vs. the Tigers has been nothing short of incredibly frustrating.

 

And we have as new thread MVP.