3B is a really shallow position... and a 5 WAR is a huge number. Just look at our 3B situation and tell me Prado isn't an awesome player.

 

Prado+Delgado is not a bad haul for an underachieving outfielder, especially when they've got Eaton rarin' to go. I like it for the Dbacks.

It's not that simple though. Prado is a guy who put up a 1.6 WAR in 590 PA as a 28 year old and then 5 WAR as a 29 year old. Calling him a 5 WAR player isn't fair, just like calling Justin Upton a 2.5 WAR player like he was last year as a 24-25 year old is a joke. Dude was a 6.4 WAR player as a 23-24 year old and his 22 year old season was 4.9 WAR. Prado's a guy 1 year from free agency who is inconsistent at the end of his prime years. Jupton is a guy 3 years from FA who had 1 down year, who has been an MVP caliber player before turning 25, who you have under affordable contract for his 25-28 year old seasons (and you have his brother until he's 30 in case you can convince him to extend for 2 years).

 

This honestly makes the signing of his brother look a ton better to me. That was a lot of money for a 29 year old BJ. You get Justin to extend for another year or two, or just maximize his performance a bit more from the emotional comfort, and that could be a huge move.

It's not that simple though. Prado is a guy who put up a 1.6 WAR in 590 PA as a 28 year old and then 5 WAR as a 29 year old. Calling him a 5 WAR player isn't fair, just like calling Justin Upton a 2.5 WAR player like he was last year as a 24-25 year old is a joke. Dude was a 6.4 WAR player as a 23-24 year old and his 22 year old season was 4.9 WAR. Prado's a guy 1 year from free agency who is inconsistent at the end of his prime years. Jupton is a guy 3 years from FA who had 1 down year, who has been an MVP caliber player before turning 25, who you have under affordable contract for his 25-28 year old seasons (and you have his brother until he's 30 in case you can convince him to extend for 2 years).

 

This honestly makes the signing of his brother look a ton better to me. That was a lot of money for a 29 year old BJ. You get Justin to extend for another year or two, or just maximize his performance a bit more from the emotional comfort, and that could be a huge move.

 

Your first paragraph says exactly what I wanted to say.

That means if he stays healthy in the first half he's excellent trade bait, which is exactly what the Mets should be trying to find.

 

 

Sounds like an ideal signing for the Cubs as well.

It's not that simple though. Prado is a guy who put up a 1.6 WAR in 590 PA as a 28 year old and then 5 WAR as a 29 year old. Calling him a 5 WAR player isn't fair, just like calling Justin Upton a 2.5 WAR player like he was last year as a 24-25 year old is a joke. Dude was a 6.4 WAR player as a 23-24 year old and his 22 year old season was 4.9 WAR. Prado's a guy 1 year from free agency who is inconsistent at the end of his prime years. Jupton is a guy 3 years from FA who had 1 down year, who has been an MVP caliber player before turning 25, who you have under affordable contract for his 25-28 year old seasons (and you have his brother until he's 30 in case you can convince him to extend for 2 years).

 

This honestly makes the signing of his brother look a ton better to me. That was a lot of money for a 29 year old BJ. You get Justin to extend for another year or two, or just maximize his performance a bit more from the emotional comfort, and that could be a huge move.

 

Martin Prado WAR last few years:

 

29 - 6 (5.8)

28 - 2 (1.8)

27 - 5 (4.9)

26 - 3 (2.8)

 

Some Third Basemen Highlights in WAR in 2012:

 

Wright - 7.8

Headley - 7.5

Miggy - 7.2

Beltre - 6.5

Aramis - 6.5

Zimmerman - 4.5

Encarnacion - 4.4

Hanley - 3

 

of those guys, Headley and Aramis are not going repeat, and Beltre is getting up there these days.

 

all I'm saying is that you get a 3B who is capable of posting a WAR comparable with the elite players in the game, while at the WORST being a guy who gets on base and doesn't hurt you in any category (5 tool player)

 

on top of that you get Delgado and a slew of prospects, and you get playing time for Adam Eaton. At the worst I think it's an even trade.

 

 

 

 

also the reason the trade happened is they're going to extend Prado.

At the worst I think it's an even trade.

For the Braves...an even trade is fine. They fill a ton of needs with a corner OF, and they don't give up either of their top 2 pitching prospects or any of their real legit, close position prospects.

 

At the worst for them, they have a very solid, affordable OF, where the oldest guy is 29...with 2 guys who I could legitimately call "MVP caliber talents".

 

With their bullpen, and rotation...they needed a RH bat this offseason. They lost Bourn and Prado, and walk away with both Uptons. That's a team that can compete with the Nats next year.

For the Braves...an even trade is fine. They fill a ton of needs with a corner OF, and they don't give up either of their top 2 pitching prospects or any of their real legit, close position prospects.

 

At the worst for them, they have a very solid, affordable OF, where the oldest guy is 29...with 2 guys who I could legitimately call "MVP caliber talents".

 

With their bullpen, and rotation...they needed a RH bat this offseason. They lost Bourn and Prado, and walk away with both Uptons. That's a team that can compete with the Nats next year.

 

totally agree!

 

and the Dbacks get to start their star outfield prospect, add pitching and organizational depth, AND get a high-caliber 3B. Win-win

also the reason the trade happened is they're going to extend Prado.

 

They'd be overpaying him IMO. Prado's a 3 win player.

They'd be overpaying him IMO. Prado's a 3 win player.

A 3 win player's worth like $13 million a year. How much would they be "overpaying" him?

A 3 win player's worth like $13 million a year. How much would they be "overpaying" him?

 

For a guy like Prado (not flashy), you technically don't want to pay him WAR market value, IMO.

 

I don't view market value as just using WAR dollars alone, you also have to take into consideration what the market itself thinks of a guy like Prado, whose value lies mostly in defense and not offense.

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For a guy like Prado (not flashy), you technically don't want to pay him WAR market value, IMO.

 

I don't view market value as just using WAR dollars alone, you also have to take into consideration what the market itself thinks of a guy like Prado, whose value lies mostly in defense and not offense.

If Prado's getting what Justin Upton got from the braves, yes, he's overpaid. If we're talking 4/$40 him, that's a good deal for him and I'd do that kind of money.

If Prado's getting what Justin Upton got from the braves, yes, he's overpaid. If we're talking 4/$40 him, that's a good deal for him and I'd do that kind of money.

 

I'd say he's more likely to get 4 and 32.

I'd say he's more likely to get 4 and 32.

which would be a steal.

 

he's an incredibly good ballplayer. positive oWAR and dWAR every year in the bigs, and between a 2 and 6 WAR overall? Dude gets on base, dude scores runs, dude plays great defense, and has an average 111 wRC+

 

$8 mill a year for that production would be crazy

Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports that the Orioles have signed Jair Jurrjens to a one-year, $1.5 million contract.

 

The total value could be pushed up to $4 million if Jurrjens reaches all of his incentives. The right-hander is coming off a brutal 6.89 ERA and 1.86 WHIP across 48 1/3 innings in 2012, as he hasn't been the same pitcher over the last year and a half due to a nagging knee injury. If Jurrjens can remain healthy, though, he could wind up being a nice back-end starter for the O's.

 

 

I thought this is the type of guy Coop would love to get his hands on.

Jesus, I can't believe I have to do this.

 

1.6 WAR in 2011

5.9 WAR in 2012

 

.687 OPS in 2011

.796 OPS in 2012

 

He also put up .32 of a win playing 92 innings (essentially 10 games) at SS, .11 of a win playing 33 innings at SS, .12 of a win playing 73 innings at 2B, .16 of a win playing 163.1 innings at 3B. He was good defensively literally everywhere last year. Nevermind that he was incredibly mediocre defensively the year before.

 

It's a good trade for both teams.

Jesus, I can't believe I have to do this.

 

1.6 WAR in 2011

5.9 WAR in 2012

 

.687 OPS in 2011

.796 OPS in 2012

 

He also put up .32 of a win playing 92 innings (essentially 10 games) at SS, .11 of a win playing 33 innings at SS, .12 of a win playing 73 innings at 2B, .16 of a win playing 163.1 innings at 3B. He was good defensively literally everywhere last year. Nevermind that he was incredibly mediocre defensively the year before.

 

It's a good trade for both teams.

 

First I thought you were bashing Prado for being inconsistent...then you lay down the good trade for both teams line. I'm confused.

 

First I thought you were bashing Prado for being inconsistent...then you lay down the good trade for both teams line. I'm confused.

 

His game is entirely dependent upon his average and I really don't see any reason he shouldn't hit. He's also a good defender, but not 1.7 wins good.

 

A 3-4 win player is about what I expect, but he's been streakier than most.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS

 

from late last nite. w/ incentives jurrjens' #orioles deal can go from $1.5 to $4M.

WTF

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...45464--mlb.html

 

The oft-injured right-hander...has fallen once again, and this time has suffered a pretty significant injury as a result.

 

According to Fox Sports Ken Rosenthal, the fall happened while Pavano was shoveling snow out of the driveway of his Vermont home and the unfortunate result is a ruptured spleen, which will reportedly sideline the 37-year-old for 6 to 8 weeks.

His game is entirely dependent upon his average and I really don't see any reason he shouldn't hit. He's also a good defender, but not 1.7 wins good.

 

A 3-4 win player is about what I expect, but he's been streakier than most.

 

Kinda like Rios, just not as extreme.

seriously, how the F do you rupture your spleen shoveling snow? Only Carl Pavano

WTF

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...45464--mlb.html

 

Pavano should just retire already.

WTF

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...45464--mlb.html

For God's sake. You're a millionaire; HIRE SOMEONE!

seriously, how the F do you rupture your spleen shoveling snow? Only Carl Pavano

You need to fall on the left side of your abdomen. Probably on a landscape rock or something. This is really weird.

seriously, how the F do you rupture your spleen shoveling snow? Only Carl Pavano

 

Sounds like someone was drinking...