Marty34 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 05:53 PM) The ones you ignored in the initial post to pick on the language in an attempt to make a point that Boyer lied. Boyer didn't lie, he gave the vaguest of numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 06:32 PM) Boyer didn't lie, he gave the vaguest of numbers. What difference does it make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 QUOTE (YASNY @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 06:33 PM) What difference does it make? Don't ask me. All I said was I'll believe it (increased Sox ticket sales) when I see it. That's enough to start a firestorm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 It should read hundreds of percentage points. Which I suppose is somewhat vague but the general idea is the Sox have sold at least twice as many season tickets compared to this time last year. That increase is from the cheaper 7 and 14-game plans as SS2k5 mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 06:32 PM) Boyer didn't lie, he gave the vaguest of numbers. 100's of points increase, 90+% season ticket renewal rate, 99+% renewal for the most expensive seats. How is that vague? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 11:02 PM) 100's of points increase, 90+% season ticket renewal rate, 99+% renewal for the most expensive seats. How is that vague? I'll back marty up here a bit...what does "Points" mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 26, 2013 -> 10:18 AM) I'll back marty up here a bit...what does "Points" mean? Percentage points. Seriously, is it that confusing? What else would it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 26, 2013 -> 11:20 AM) Percentage points. Seriously, is it that confusing? What else would it be? So that means the new sales are up by > a factor of 2? "Hundreds of percentage points" = more than doubled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 26, 2013 -> 10:22 AM) So that means the new sales are up by > a factor of 2? "Hundreds of percentage points" = more than doubled? What else would it mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 10:02 PM) 100's of points increase, 90+% season ticket renewal rate, 99+% renewal for the most expensive seats. How is that vague? Sounds good, but tells us very little because we don't know how many new season tickets they sold last year. Have the new sales outpaced the non-renewals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 26, 2013 -> 11:29 AM) Sounds good, but tells us very little because we don't know how many new season tickets they sold last year. Have the new sales outpaced the non-renewals? Based on the renewal rates, it is pretty obvious, unless you have an agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 26, 2013 -> 11:30 AM) Based on the renewal rates, it is pretty obvious, unless you have an agenda. How do you figure from the numbers you quoted? Agenda . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 26, 2013 -> 11:36 AM) How do you figure from the numbers you quoted? Agenda . . . Plug some numbers into the factors, and get back to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 There's two ways to look at this. That saying they're up hundreds of points or percentage points over last year sounds more rosily optimistic, because that's not such a huge bar to jump over when there was an overall decrease of 50% or whatever. On the other hand, he's not really getting into specifics of what that comparison is based on....which seats, which packages, which price points. Is it just the split season packages? Overall, of course anyone representing sales numbers is going to accentuate the positive, it's human nature. And, looking at it from that lens, things are MUCH better than they were last off-season. The point which is just as important is the almost 100% renewal at the highest price points...which is where they're generating the bulk of their season ticket profits. What exactly is he supposed to say? If he was 100% straightforward, then he would probably be skewered for being too negative and pessimistic and not focusing on the "silver linings" to steal a phrase from an Oscar favorite. What's the point of wanting to see a conspiracy or trying to prove he's outright lying or obfuscating? Just to keep creating "straw man" arguments against a mythical windmill which is JR, KW, Hahn and Boyer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 28, 2013 -> 08:11 PM) There's two ways to look at this. That saying they're up hundreds of points or percentage points over last year sounds more rosily optimistic, because that's not such a huge bar to jump over when there was an overall decrease of 50% or whatever. On the other hand, he's not really getting into specifics of what that comparison is based on....which seats, which packages, which price points. Is it just the split season packages? Overall, of course anyone representing sales numbers is going to accentuate the positive, it's human nature. And, looking at it from that lens, things are MUCH better than they were last off-season. The point which is just as important is the almost 100% renewal at the highest price points...which is where they're generating the bulk of their season ticket profits. What exactly is he supposed to say? If he was 100% straightforward, then he would probably be skewered for being too negative and pessimistic and not focusing on the "silver linings" to steal a phrase from an Oscar favorite. What's the point of wanting to see a conspiracy or trying to prove he's outright lying or obfuscating? Just to keep creating "straw man" arguments against a mythical windmill which is JR, KW, Hahn and Boyer? IMO the answers are pretty obvious. If you have nearly 100% renewal at the highest ticket prices, you are looking at the bulk of the full season packages. That means there wasn't much room for growth in the highest dollar areas because they were already sold. Those are also your highest price points, hence the names like "diamond" and "platinum" The growth is obviously coming at the 7/14 game plans, which Boyer pretty much said when he talked about people converting from buying a few individual games, to buying 7 or 14 game plans. You had almost full renewal at the higher levels, and big growth at the lower ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 29, 2013 -> 08:55 AM) IMO the answers are pretty obvious. If you have nearly 100% renewal at the highest ticket prices, you are looking at the bulk of the full season packages. That means there wasn't much room for growth in the highest dollar areas because they were already sold. Those are also your highest price points, hence the names like "diamond" and "platinum" The growth is obviously coming at the 7/14 game plans, which Boyer pretty much said when he talked about people converting from buying a few individual games, to buying 7 or 14 game plans. You had almost full renewal at the higher levels, and big growth at the lower ones. The were renewed, that doesn't mean they are sold out in those areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 29, 2013 -> 03:22 PM) The were renewed, that doesn't mean they are sold out in those areas. Those areas have been blacked out for a decade now. But I can see how you would read it that way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 29, 2013 -> 03:22 PM) The were renewed, that doesn't mean they are sold out in those areas. Try to buy a season package in the lower infield boxes in the first 20 rows. They aren't available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 29, 2013 -> 08:55 AM) IMO the answers are pretty obvious. If you have nearly 100% renewal at the highest ticket prices, you are looking at the bulk of the full season packages. That means there wasn't much room for growth in the highest dollar areas because they were already sold. Those are also your highest price points, hence the names like "diamond" and "platinum" The growth is obviously coming at the 7/14 game plans, which Boyer pretty much said when he talked about people converting from buying a few individual games, to buying 7 or 14 game plans. You had almost full renewal at the higher levels, and big growth at the lower ones.$55 for a 7 game plan upstairs is a killer deal. Hell, stubhub has upper deck tickets for opening day for $45. on teh 7 game plan, you get that for $25 plus 6 more games at a cost that is not that much higher than the stubhub price of OD alone. Yes, I know that the $55 number is derived from buying the cheapest option dates, but the sox really are trying to make it easier for fans to get tix and at a good cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionrulZ Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I don't swing that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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