4-2 start at home, Sox looked pretty good. 4 losses in a row on the road Sox looked pretty bad. Does it suck ? Yes it do ! But I don't see anything besides the hitting with RISP and OBP that has been terrible. Ok those are 2 pretty big things. I guarantee the hitting with RISP will improve . We suck at taking walks so not much hope there.

 

Now you might say the defense looks bad but has it cost the team much if at all ? Starting pitching's been OK . Relievers not bad at all. Played the Nat's well. Kept the games close. Tigers got swept in the World Series and the Nats might be there this year so no shame in losing 3 in a row in their ball park.

 

Now losing 1-0 tonight sucked. Quintana pitched his ass off. Even Sale would be hard pressed to match 7 innings, 1 hit, no walks and 7 K's. Lots of Sox hitters struggled but it's not like it was Chen out there who sucks against everyone but the Sox. Masterson's been on fire since his first start. He's 3-0 now with a 0.69 ERA .

 

I might not post a lot so some of you might not have a feel for my general over all attitude. So here it is. I'm about as die-hard as you can get. When I say die-hard that means I will not fret over losses early in the season. I will not die nor pronounce the Sox dead after a 4-6 start to the season. I look at the good things happening and think the bad things will turn around but not unreasonably so as witnessed by what I said about our OBP.

 

So chin up ,have a stout heart and die hard.

4-2 start at home, Sox looked pretty good. 4 losses in a row on the road Sox looked pretty bad. Does it suck ? Yes it do ! But I don't see anything besides the hitting with RISP and OBP that has been terrible. Ok those are 2 pretty big things. I guarantee the hitting with RISP will improve . We suck at taking walks so not much hope there.

 

Now you might say the defense looks bad but has it cost the team much if at all ? Starting pitching's been OK . Relievers not bad at all. Played the Nat's well. Kept the games close. Tigers got swept in the World Series and the Nats might be there this year so no shame in losing 3 in a row in their ball park.

 

Now losing 1-0 tonight sucked. Quintana pitched his ass off. Even Sale would be hard pressed to match 7 innings, 1 hit, no walks and 7 K's. Lots of Sox hitters struggled but it's not like it was Chen out there who sucks against everyone but the Sox. Masterson's been on fire since his first start. He's 3-0 now with a 0.69 ERA .

 

I might not post a lot so some of you might not have a feel for my general over all attitude. So here it is. I'm about as die-hard as you can get. When I say die-hard that means I will not fret over losses early in the season. I will not die nor pronounce the Sox dead after a 4-6 start to the season. I look at the good things happening and think the bad things will turn around but not unreasonably so as witnessed by what I said about our OBP.

 

So chin up ,have a stout heart and die hard.

 

I just don't think they're that good. I think they're ~.500 team. And that's being positive. I know, SSS but Keppinger has K'd a lot more so far than I thought he would.

 

They will struggle to get on base and catch the ball all year. That's not a good combination.

 

 

I just don't think they're that good. I think they're ~.500 team. And that's being positive. I know, SSS but Keppinger has K'd a lot more so far than I thought he would.

 

They will struggle to get on base and catch the ball all year. That's not a good combination.

 

This is not meant to inflame anybody. I was studying Kepp's stats from the past. Is this guy really a starter at the big league level? Seems like a super sub type guy to me.

Wait 'til next year!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

This is not meant to inflame anybody. I was studying Kepp's stats from the past. Is this guy really a starter at the big league level? Seems like a super sub type guy to me.

The at bats have been poor.

 

To his credit the fact that he can play a couple different positions helps this club out a lot, considering the rest of the bench.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb...9.column?page=1

 

 

I think this pretty much sums up the attitude of most White Sox fans....and we don't even have Pujols, Trout and Josh Hamilton on our team.

 

 

Where's OUR Torii Hunter?

 

We are lacking in leadership or direction right now. Maybe it's because he's (Cooper) in the hospital.

 

 

 

Haha....Josh Hamilton doubled off to end the game in LA when he thought there were 2 outs already. Fitting, when you try to buy your way to a World Series trophy, and you could say the same thing for the Dodgers, or even the Blue Jays.

 

Things COULD actually be worse, we could be stuck with Hamilton's contract, and Greinke's.

Edited April 13, 201313 yr by caulfield12

I know the title of the thread paints me as a cheerleader but after being in the game thread and reading some really outlandish comments I had to say something. It's just a lighthearted attempt to say it's early. Hardly a word was said about Quintana's performance which was exemplary.

I was just coming here to say that it could be worse, see: LA Angels, even with mega stars in their lineup!

 

 

I was just coming here to say that it could be worse, see: LA Angels, even with mega stars in their lineup!

Angels fans are melting down

I know the title of the thread paints me as a cheerleader but after being in the game thread and reading some really outlandish comments I had to say something. It's just a lighthearted attempt to say it's early. Hardly a word was said about Quintana's performance which was exemplary.

 

 

It's simple...I'm not sure how old you are, but if you've followed the White Sox every season since the late 70's/early 80's, you'll know the only time we've started poorly and closed well in a season was 1983.

 

Quintana was very good. I pointed that out...and I'm hoping it sticks, because that's ONE less problem this organization will have to deal with in the future if he can be a legit 4/5 guy at the back end of the rotation.

 

 

The missed sacrifice attempt, the lack of hitting with RISP, the botched hit and run....every time we have an opportunity to score, we're just not executing.

 

If we had made the playoffs LAST year, nobody would care at all what was going on the first couple of weeks in 2013, because we'd have faith and confidence in the team. Right now, between the team and manager, there's not really very many compelling reasons to have hope, other than Chris Sale's presence on the team.

 

I suppose, given the internal constraints given on spending any more payroll dollars, Hahn has done a very good job (not with Keppinger) but executing the Gillaspie trade or Brent Morel/Angel Sanchez would be playing 3B for us right now. There's THAT, as well.

 

 

Edited April 13, 201313 yr by caulfield12

I know the title of the thread paints me as a cheerleader but after being in the game thread and reading some really outlandish comments I had to say something. It's just a lighthearted attempt to say it's early. Hardly a word was said about Quintana's performance which was exemplary.

 

Nothing at all wrong with this thread.

This thread is this early?

 

Damn Derrick Rose.

It's simple...I'm not sure how old you are, but if you've followed the White Sox every season since the late 70's/early 80's, you'll know the only time we've started poorly and closed well in a season was 1983.

 

Quintana was very good. I pointed that out...and I'm hoping it sticks, because that's ONE less problem this organization will have to deal with in the future if he can be a legit 4/5 guy at the back end of the rotation.

 

 

The missed sacrifice attempt, the lack of hitting with RISP, the botched hit and run....every time we have an opportunity to score, we're just not executing.

 

If we had made the playoffs LAST year, nobody would care at all what was going on the first couple of weeks in 2013, because we'd have faith and confidence in the team. Right now, between the team and manager, there's not really very many compelling reasons to have hope, other than Chris Sale's presence on the team.

 

I suppose, given the internal constraints given on spending any more payroll dollars, Hahn has done a very good job (not with Keppinger) but executing the Gillaspie trade or Brent Morel/Angel Sanchez would be playing 3B for us right now. There's THAT, as well.

So one one hand the Sox have no talent and the manager is so terrible they are 4-6. On the other hand you point to the Angels who have All Stars up and down their line up and refer to their manager as the best strategist in the game and they are 2-8. I know historically it only takes 1 or 2 losses for you to go all Gulliver with the doom and gloom, but depending on the thread, your posts put together make zero sense other than every other fanbase in the world hasit better than us. And that is prett much BS.

 

The thread starter is right. There is no reason to panic There seems to be a contest every season on Sox message boards around the world as to who can call the patient dead the fastest. And then later, when the Sox usually don't win, there are a lot of dislocated shoulders from all the patting of themselves on the back.

My baaaalls

Wanna rock n roll all niiight

All over Swishers face

Lets get these stupid fakers and take them out back to the woodshed & stop being such Negative Nancys around here

 

Only 2 games back in the division, only 1 game back of Detroit. That's easy to make up in 152 games.

Only 2 games back in the division, only 1 game back of Detroit. That's easy to make up in 152 games.

 

Our schedule is our schedule. How do we get the 89th win in late September?

Our schedule is our schedule. How do we get the 89th win in late September?

Start hitting better, field better, pitch better, stop bunting.

Our schedule is our schedule. How do we get the 89th win in late September?

 

Win 84 games between now and then.

So one one hand the Sox have no talent and the manager is so terrible they are 4-6. On the other hand you point to the Angels who have All Stars up and down their line up and refer to their manager as the best strategist in the game and they are 2-8. I know historically it only takes 1 or 2 losses for you to go all Gulliver with the doom and gloom, but depending on the thread, your posts put together make zero sense other than every other fanbase in the world hasit better than us. And that is prett much BS.

 

The thread starter is right. There is no reason to panic There seems to be a contest every season on Sox message boards around the world as to who can call the patient dead the fastest. And then later, when the Sox usually don't win, there are a lot of dislocated shoulders from all the patting of themselves on the back.

 

 

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Scioscia has lost his team, it has been argued over and over again in the LA media...that he is completely disliked by most of the players and Torii Hunter was the only one holding that clubhouse together from rebelling against him.

 

I PERSONALLY never said Scioscia's the best, I said the POPULAR OPINION is simply that. I also feel 80-90% of White Sox fans if they could change managers to Scioscia over Ventura would choose Robin.

 

I would pick Maddon in a heartbeat over Scioscia, (or Dave Martinez, or Bud Black, or Ron Roenicke, all of them would be okay). All of those guys are from the Scioscia school, but much better with modern day players and not so prickly with the media.

 

I'm not going to rank every single manager 1-30 for in-game decision-making, but I would never have put Scioscia or LaRussa as Top Five.

 

 

 

Yes, most fan bases in the world do have it a lot better than us because of the way that the former GM constructed this roster....gambling every season instead of building a team "organically" and just hoping and praying he could throw so many disparate elements together and it would magically equal some sort of elusive chemistry.

 

Lightning only hits in a bottle a couple of times...2005 and 2008...when you work in that fashion.

 

 

 

I never said I was right last year. I still watch/ed all the games. Nobody gave up. But last season is a HUGE reason why there's already frustration early in 2013. It's because the end of 2012 and the beginning of 2013 are mirrors of each other. There hasn't been a change or trend reversal. Ventura's the same or worse as he was before.

 

Tell me what's better about this year's team than last year's?

 

We got handled by a MUCH more talented team in the Nationals...across every position, we were outgunned...there's no point in even getting upset. There's no point in starting rebuilding or trade threads because the GM backed himself into a corner and now we just have to sit and wait and be patient for things to turn around. There are definitely no quick fixes with our starting 9.

 

 

 

Every year in April, when the Sox have a bad beginning....someone, like Greg Hibbard, will point out how everything's not gloom and doom...but most of those fans won't still be around in August and September if the Sox go all 2007 or 2009.

Edited April 13, 201313 yr by caulfield12

4-2 start at home, Sox looked pretty good. 4 losses in a row on the road Sox looked pretty bad. Does it suck ? Yes it do ! But I don't see anything besides the hitting with RISP and OBP that has been terrible. Ok those are 2 pretty big things. I guarantee the hitting with RISP will improve . We suck at taking walks so not much hope there.

 

Now you might say the defense looks bad but has it cost the team much if at all ? Starting pitching's been OK . Relievers not bad at all. Played the Nat's well. Kept the games close. Tigers got swept in the World Series and the Nats might be there this year so no shame in losing 3 in a row in their ball park.

 

Now losing 1-0 tonight sucked. Quintana pitched his ass off. Even Sale would be hard pressed to match 7 innings, 1 hit, no walks and 7 K's. Lots of Sox hitters struggled but it's not like it was Chen out there who sucks against everyone but the Sox. Masterson's been on fire since his first start. He's 3-0 now with a 0.69 ERA .

 

I might not post a lot so some of you might not have a feel for my general over all attitude. So here it is. I'm about as die-hard as you can get. When I say die-hard that means I will not fret over losses early in the season. I will not die nor pronounce the Sox dead after a 4-6 start to the season. I look at the good things happening and think the bad things will turn around but not unreasonably so as witnessed by what I said about our OBP.

 

So chin up ,have a stout heart and die hard.

 

 

You got it man! People who think we are doing poorly this early look at favorites like Toronto and LAA. We can do this

Edited April 13, 201313 yr by elrockinMT

Win 84 games between now and then.

 

85

It's simple...I'm not sure how old you are, but if you've followed the White Sox every season since the late 70's/early 80's, you'll know the only time we've started poorly and closed well in a season was 1983.

 

Quintana was very good. I pointed that out...and I'm hoping it sticks, because that's ONE less problem this organization will have to deal with in the future if he can be a legit 4/5 guy at the back end of the rotation.

 

 

The missed sacrifice attempt, the lack of hitting with RISP, the botched hit and run....every time we have an opportunity to score, we're just not executing.

 

If we had made the playoffs LAST year, nobody would care at all what was going on the first couple of weeks in 2013, because we'd have faith and confidence in the team. Right now, between the team and manager, there's not really very many compelling reasons to have hope, other than Chris Sale's presence on the team.

 

I suppose, given the internal constraints given on spending any more payroll dollars, Hahn has done a very good job (not with Keppinger) but executing the Gillaspie trade or Brent Morel/Angel Sanchez would be playing 3B for us right now. There's THAT, as well.

I'm very old and have followed the Sox so long I can remember my fav players as a kid were Joel Horlen and Ken Berry. Every team uniform I ever wore had a 16 on the back because of Berry. I have no idea why teams from the 70's or 80's have any kind of impact on this years team. Sorry. Every year is a new beginning I like the team now. I can't help it. I always like the Sox chances when it's reasonable to do so. Now if we're coming off a 70 win season and nothing much changed yea I''m not going to be as optimistic. I love the pitching and the hitting is good enough to contend. Things just have to break the right way. Weather that happens is anyone's guess but a few losses now, or last year, or in previous years is not going to affect my hope for this season.

Edited April 13, 201313 yr by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

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Scioscia has lost his team, it has been argued over and over again in the LA media...that he is completely disliked by most of the players and Torii Hunter was the only one holding that clubhouse together from rebelling against him.

 

I PERSONALLY never said Scioscia's the best, I said the POPULAR OPINION is simply that. I also feel 80-90% of White Sox fans if they could change managers to Scioscia over Ventura would choose Robin.

 

I would pick Maddon in a heartbeat over Scioscia, (or Dave Martinez, or Bud Black, or Ron Roenicke, all of them would be okay). All of those guys are from the Scioscia school, but much better with modern day players and not so prickly with the media.

 

I'm not going to rank every single manager 1-30 for in-game decision-making, but I would never have put Scioscia or LaRussa as Top Five.

 

 

 

Yes, most fan bases in the world do have it a lot better than us because of the way that the former GM constructed this roster....gambling every season instead of building a team "organically" and just hoping and praying he could throw so many disparate elements together and it would magically equal some sort of elusive chemistry.

 

Lightning only hits in a bottle a couple of times...2005 and 2008...when you work in that fashion.

 

 

 

I never said I was right last year. I still watch/ed all the games. Nobody gave up. But last season is a HUGE reason why there's already frustration early in 2013. It's because the end of 2012 and the beginning of 2013 are mirrors of each other. There hasn't been a change or trend reversal. Ventura's the same or worse as he was before.

 

Tell me what's better about this year's team than last year's?

 

We got handled by a MUCH more talented team in the Nationals...across every position, we were outgunned...there's no point in even getting upset. There's no point in starting rebuilding or trade threads because the GM backed himself into a corner and now we just have to sit and wait and be patient for things to turn around. There are definitely no quick fixes with our starting 9.

 

 

 

Every year in April, when the Sox have a bad beginning....someone, like Greg Hibbard, will point out how everything's not gloom and doom...but most of those fans won't still be around in August and September if the Sox go all 2007 or 2009.

 

#202 in last night's game thread. YOU SHOULD READ WHAT YOU POST CAREFULLY. YOU called Scoscia the greatest strategist in the game.

#202 in last night's game thread. YOU SHOULD READ WHAT YOU POST CAREFULLY. YOU called Scoscia the greatest strategist in the game.

 

 

You're right, I should have added PARENTHETICALLY, who most experts/pundits/broadcasters give credit to as being the best...in a way, I was being sarcastic.

 

Because I believe Scioscia gets WAY too much credit for that aspect of the game, just like LaRussa.

 

When he had the personnel to play an aggressive style of baseball, and every player on the team was capable of running, playing small ball, fundamentals....that team was must more difficult to beat, all the players were versatile and seemingly interchangeable parts, because of their attacking style of play, putting the pressure on their opponents. But managers have to adjust to their personnel, not expecting the 25 man roster to adjust to the manager, and that's Scioscia's biggest Achilles' heel, his ego and hubris, (see OZZIE GUILLEN post 2005).

 

With a bunch of stars and huge payroll, what have they done?

 

Underachieved.

 

And he hasn't had the starting pitching and bullpen they had a decade ago.

 

 

 

For the record, I continue to support the idea/s of hiring Dave Martinez or Terry Pendleton. Either one.