July 23, 201312 yr Yeah couldn't tell if it was speculation or news but I missed a lot of it. They also were saying it may not matter if a deal was done or not that the Braves could take him anyways if he's off the DL in a week after the deadline.
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 07:41 AM) Yeah couldn't tell if it was speculation or news but I missed a lot of it. They also were saying it may not matter if a deal was done or not that the Braves could take him anyways if he's off the DL in a week after the deadline. What do you mean? He would still have to pass through waivers, right?
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 12:44 PM) What do you mean? He would still have to pass through waivers, right? I worded that weird. I meant trade for him while he was still on the DL before the deadline passes. Edit: I should say this was speculation to the original report. Edited July 23, 201312 yr by Buehrle>Wood
July 23, 201312 yr Since this is from Rogers I'm not buying it, but in theory, Crain could have a couple rehab appearances, get traded while still on the DL, and then the Braves could still have him some more before coming back.
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 07:51 AM) Since this is from Rogers I'm not buying it, but in theory, Crain could have a couple rehab appearances, get traded while still on the DL, and then the Braves could still have him some more before coming back. I assume they can do a conditional PTBNL. If Crain makes this many appearances, you get this guy. But if he suffers a setback, you get this lower-level prospect.
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 08:44 AM) What do you mean? He would still have to pass through waivers, right? He wouldn't have to "pass through" waivers entirely to get traded, only get to the Braves. Whether or not a team in the NL might try to block him getting there is a different question.
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 08:10 AM) He wouldn't have to "pass through" waivers entirely to get traded, only get to the Braves. Whether or not a team in the NL might try to block him getting there is a different question. He would have to get throught the AL first which there is zero chance of happening.
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 08:05 AM) I assume they can do a conditional PTBNL. If Crain makes this many appearances, you get this guy. But if he suffers a setback, you get this lower-level prospect. Yes they could do that if they so choose. I believe when Sabathia went to the Brewers they did a similar scenario. If the Brewers made the playoffs, Cleveland got to choose the PTBNL from the pool they previously agreed on and if the Brewers made the playoffs then the Brewers got to choose.
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 08:26 AM) He would have to get throught the AL first which there is zero chance of happening. This is 100% correct
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 07:51 AM) Since this is from Rogers I'm not buying it, but in theory, Crain could have a couple rehab appearances, get traded while still on the DL, and then the Braves could still have him some more before coming back. It sounds like they'll be able to move Crain to the Braves at the very least. But if other teams want him (looking at Boston), let the bidding begin. Heck, maybe Peavy and Crain get bundled to Boston...or Arizona...or someplace else. We'll know in 199 hours.
July 23, 201312 yr If the sox are talking with the Braves, a major league ready bat who could make sense is Joey Terdoslavich. Hes blocked at 1b by Freeman. They dont have that many other bats in the minors that seem to make sense. OF Todd Cunningham may be another. Not saying I approve of this. But if the two teams are talking, guys the sox minor league teams have seen play could be possibilities.
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 12:03 PM) If the sox are talking with the Braves, a major league ready bat who could make sense is Joey Terdoslavich. Hes blocked at 1b by Freeman. They dont have that many other bats in the minors that seem to make sense. OF Todd Cunningham may be another. Not saying I approve of this. But if the two teams are talking, guys the sox minor league teams have seen play could be possibilities. Both players are 24 and in AAA. .288/.369/.487/.855, 16 homers .318/.359/.567/.926, 18 homers The top is Andy Wilkins. The bottom is Terdoslavich. They do not appear to be similar players - Terdoslavich being a more aggressive, stronger hitter, while Wilkins is more patient and can work a count - but I don't see enough difference in potential value to make that a worthwhile trade. I understand it's all speculation for the sake of conversation, just putting in my two cents.
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 12:28 PM) Both players are 24 and in AAA. .288/.369/.487/.855, 16 homers .318/.359/.567/.926, 18 homers The top is Andy Wilkins. The bottom is Terdoslavich. They do not appear to be similar players - Terdoslavich being a more aggressive, stronger hitter, while Wilkins is more patient and can work a count - but I don't see enough difference in potential value to make that a worthwhile trade. I understand it's all speculation for the sake of conversation, just putting in my two cents. Terdoslavich is a switch hitter and can play LF, so he has that going for him, and he is also considered a much better prospect who is up with the Braves right now. I think if you can get Terdoslavich and another decent prospect like Tommy La Stella, that's not a bad deal.
July 23, 201312 yr Yeah, you can't really have too many MLB-ready bats. If they both turn out, we can find a place for them
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 07:40 AM) Lol...I thought that's what Grody said in his update, but I missed the actual interview and didn't want to post that. Anyone familiar with the Braves system? Alex Wood please.
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 06:28 PM) Both players are 24 and in AAA. .288/.369/.487/.855, 16 homers .318/.359/.567/.926, 18 homers The top is Andy Wilkins. The bottom is Terdoslavich. They do not appear to be similar players - Terdoslavich being a more aggressive, stronger hitter, while Wilkins is more patient and can work a count - but I don't see enough difference in potential value to make that a worthwhile trade. I understand it's all speculation for the sake of conversation, just putting in my two cents. I was just trying to see who might make sense. No one in the Braves system jumps out at me. Other than the few bats like Terdoslavich and Cunningham, and they ain't much, granted, the minor league arms don't seem like a lot of upside.
July 23, 201312 yr Mark Gonzales @MDGonzales 20s Crain will throw off a mound today, says he could pitch in big league game as early as Sunday. Expand https://twitter.com/MDGonzales
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (Wedge @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 04:44 PM) Perhaps silly question... is Crain a prospective Type A free agent? Doesn't really work that way any more. To get draft picks when a free agent leaves, a team has to make that free agent a "qualifying offer" that is on the order of a 1 year, $14 million deal. The type A designation isn't really out there, it's now about the qualifying offer.
July 23, 201312 yr White Sox tweeted that Crain is pitching off the mound today and hopes to.be back next Sunday or Monday
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 03:46 PM) Doesn't really work that way any more. To get draft picks when a free agent leaves, a team has to make that free agent a "qualifying offer" that is on the order of a 1 year, $14 million deal. The type A designation isn't really out there, it's now about the qualifying offer. They really need to change it to be more like the franchise tag in football where it is the average of the highest five paid players at that position plus some arbitrary amount.
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 05:25 PM) They really need to change it to be more like the franchise tag in football where it is the average of the highest five paid players at that position plus some arbitrary amount. This really isn't bad any more. That amount might be slightly better but really, you don't deserve a draft pick compensation when you let a reliever walk and you don't deserve to lose a first round pick when you sign a reliever.
July 23, 201312 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 04:27 PM) This really isn't bad any more. That amount might be slightly better but really, you don't deserve a draft pick compensation when you let a reliever walk and you don't deserve to lose a first round pick when you sign a reliever. Why not have two different tiers? Have a 1st round tender and a 3rd round tender (or 5th or 10th, whatever...has to be in the top 10 rounds so that it can count against the initial cap and teams don't just sign guys to added draft picks, as has happened in previous years). And you make the number $7.5 mill or something like that. So, rather than the White Sox offering $14 mill to Crain to try and get a supplemental 1st round pick, they can offer him $7.5 mill and get a supplemental 3rd/5th/10th round pick instead.
July 23, 201312 yr http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery...in-juggling-act Cooper talking about Crain says if everything goes we'll we see Crain 28th, 29th, 30th without a rehab assignment. Cutting it very close and that's best case scenario. Edited July 23, 201312 yr by CaliSoxFanViaSWside
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