I assume you have the medical reports to justify this?

 

Arod sez there are ways around this.

Crain is on the DL because he throws 1000 pitches per batter

Throwing 78 pitches in a span of 4 days, including 59 on consecutive days, probably didn't help.

Throwing 78 pitches in a span of 4 days, including 59 on consecutive days, probably didn't help.

 

Ventura, Coop, and Hahn should all be called on the carpet for this, but they won't be because we have the softest media coverage in pro sports.

Ventura, Coop, and Hahn should all be called on the carpet for this, but they won't be because we have the softest media coverage in pro sports.

 

They also have a track record as the best in the business at pitcher health.

We could trade him off the DL but it would be better to get him through waivers. Not sure exactly how to do that. If someone claims him who isn't interested in a trade, that's it, right? We either let him go for nothing or take him back.

They also have a track record as the best in the business at pitcher health.

 

Past results . . .

 

Crain is a 60 inning guy who was worked too hard. Why was he worked so hard when the only important thing was him remaining healthy. If they end up getting nothing for him it is because of incompetence on this organization's part.

Crainwreck on dealing him.

They also have a track record as the best in the business at pitcher health.

I don't think Ventura has much of a track record.

Its possible he could be added to a Peavy deal with Boston as PTBNL and Boston sends back a PTBNL based on his health when he returns, otherwise the two teams substitute lesser players in those spots.

I hate to say it, but I agree with Marty. Crain was overused and several posters had acknowledged that in those stretches in May and June where not only his appearances and innings were up but his pitches were at crazy levels. Ventura has a certain lack of foresight. Whoever had said RV has a track record is full of it.

Well, the difference is, the premise then was to win and actually be competitive for a playoff spot. It was never to trade Jesse Crain. Had that been the case from the outset, perhaps he would have been used differently.

Well, the difference is, the premise then was to win and actually be competitive for a playoff spot. It was never to trade Jesse Crain. Had that been the case from the outset, perhaps he would have been used differently.

 

Which is funny because now people are complaining about Ventura pitching Troncoso too much.

I hate to say it, but I agree with Marty. Crain was overused and several posters had acknowledged that in those stretches in May and June where not only his appearances and innings were up but his pitches were at crazy levels. Ventura has a certain lack of foresight. Whoever had said RV has a track record is full of it.

And after Crain pitched a couple games in a row, there were people complaining in the gamethread when Ventura wasn't using him the next game.

 

It's funny how it works. You are supposed to manage every game like it's the 7th game of the WS and if you don't you are a fool. If you do and guys get tired or get hurt, you are a fool. Fans for the most part are not very realistic.

 

Since Ventura has been the manager, Crain has pitched 75 innings. 36 this year. If that's overwork, and Ventura is to be blamed for his injury, the Sox better be asking for pitchers for all their guys. They will need about 40-50 to get through a season.

 

And just so you know, all the innings at "crazy levels" in reality, 285 pitchers have pitched more innings than Jesse Crain this season.

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It's not the innings with Ventura. It's the number of days in a row he uses these relief pitchers.

I'd like to seem him use Crain and Reed for over 1 inning more often...and earlier than the 8th and 9th.

Anyway, the Sox probably can craft a conditional trade for Crain...probably should. No use keeping him.

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It's not the innings with Ventura. It's the number of days in a row he uses these relief pitchers.

I'd like to seem him use Crain and Reed for over 1 inning more often...and earlier than the 8th and 9th.

Anyway, the Sox probably can craft a conditional trade for Crain...probably should. No use keeping him.

 

Green Sox, no manager uses their closers for important outs earlier in games. You got to get better set up men. Reed is ninth inning only. It's just the way baseball is.

I am not sure why all this matters? You seem to be ignoring Jesse was out for two full months last year and a month (so far) this year.

Still, he's pitched 36 innings. Its like 12 a month. It's not overwork.

And after Crain pitched a couple games in a row, there were people complaining in the gamethread when Ventura wasn't using him the next game.

 

It's funny how it works. You are supposed to manage every game like it's the 7th game of the WS and if you don't you are a fool. If you do and guys get tired or get hurt, you are a fool. Fans for the most part are not very realistic.

 

Since Ventura has been the manager, Crain has pitched 75 innings. 36 this year. If that's overwork, and Ventura is to be blamed for his injury, the Sox better be asking for pitchers for all their guys. They will need about 40-50 to get through a season.

 

And just so you know, all the innings at "crazy levels" in reality, 285 pitchers have pitched more innings than Jesse Crain this season.

 

Amen.

How come the Ventura haters (regarding pitching) never mention our guru of a pitching coach. You think Coop doesn't talk to Ventura about this stuff or run the staff? I'm sure Ventura doesn't know s*** about pitching, except how to hit the ball, and defers to Coop.

Buster Olney just tweeted, "It'll be interesting to see if contenders try to structure a conditional trade for Jesse Crain based on how much he's able to pitch Aug/Sep"

 

As one poster mentioned contenders trading for Jesse and getting PTBNL on how much he pitches in the upcoming months. I say go for it.

Would Crain net the Sox a draft pick he they can't trade him and he walks in the off-season?

Would Crain net the Sox a draft pick he they can't trade him and he walks in the off-season?

 

If they make a qualifying offer (~$13-14 mill), and he signs elsewhere, then yes, they will.

 

(no, they won't)

Still, he's pitched 36 innings. Its like 12 a month. It's not overwork.

 

That's a big workload for a guy that throws 60 inning a year and there's absolutely no justification for it.

Buster Olney just tweeted, "It'll be interesting to see if contenders try to structure a conditional trade for Jesse Crain based on how much he's able to pitch Aug/Sep"

 

As one poster mentioned contenders trading for Jesse and getting PTBNL on how much he pitches in the upcoming months. I say go for it.

They better do this. No way we get s*** for him in August.

That's a big workload for a guy that throws 60 inning a year and there's absolutely no justification for it.

 

If his workload was too strenuous, it would show in his performance -- fatigue causes a decline in stuff, which causes a decline in results. But it hasn't been the case. The guy has been nails all year.

 

Newsflash: Pitchers get hurt. If a guy can't handle 12 innings per month, why is he worth a 25 man roster spot?

They better do this. No way we get s*** for him in August.

 

Well the trade would be based off on how many innings he pitches and how well in August and September.

He faced 152 batters this year before getting injured. He faced 194 all of '12. If would have never gotten injured he would have been on pace for just under 300 batters face. Roughly 150% more than they year prior.

 

In 2012, he was hurt from April 20 to May 16 and June 23 to July 23. That's a third of the season, hardly a far comparison.