Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 This article is a Cubs article from bleacher nation. Today at 3pm central time is the Competitive Balance Lottery. Obviously, the White Sox will not be receiving a competitive balance pick. What does everybody think about the Sox potentially trading for Competitive Balance Picks? There may be a few contenders that receive picks. I am always all for having extra draft picks. What does everyone else think? http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/07/17/t...-can-be-traded/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 02:08 PM) This article is a Cubs article from bleacher nation. Today at 3pm central time is the Competitive Balance Lottery. Obviously, the White Sox will not be receiving a competitive balance pick. What does everybody think about the Sox potentially trading for Competitive Balance Picks? There may be a few contenders that receive picks. I am always all for having extra draft picks. What does everyone else think? http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/07/17/t...-can-be-traded/ I would take whatever we can get, though it is really hard to place a value on a pick when they have never really been dealt before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 03:36 PM) I would take whatever we can get, though it is really hard to place a value on a pick when they have never really been dealt before. Detroit and Pittsburgh both traded theirs last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 03:54 PM) Detroit and Pittsburgh both traded theirs last season. Detroit swapped theirs with Miami as part of a bigger deal. The Pirates gave up their pick for Gaby Sanchez who the Marlins were planning on non-tendering. So that still doesn't make them seem to be too entirely valuable in a deal. More or less a throw in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 17, 2013 Author Share Posted July 17, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 04:18 PM) Detroit swapped theirs with Miami as part of a bigger deal. The Pirates gave up their pick for Gaby Sanchez who the Marlins were planning on non-tendering. So that still doesn't make them seem to be too entirely valuable in a deal. More or less a throw in. The Rockies have the 1st Competitive Balance pick. Would anyone be willing to trade Crain for that pick or something and that pick? Would Colorado even do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 05:45 PM) The Rockies have the 1st Competitive Balance pick. Would anyone be willing to trade Crain for that pick or something and that pick? Would Colorado even do that? No. I would trade Dunn and cash to the Orioles for their pick though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 17, 2013 -> 09:53 PM) No. I would trade Dunn and cash to the Orioles for their pick though. I wouldn't. Maybe that pick, an A-ball lottery ticket, and they pick up the entire contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Can someone explain why the Cardinals are in the lottery. On paper it says the 10 smallest market teams, and the 10 lowest revenue teams can participate, but the Cardinals, who is 6th in attendance last year, got a pick as well. Are they considered a small market team? I am just a little baffle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 10:10 AM) Can someone explain why the Cardinals are in the lottery. On paper it says the 10 smallest market teams, and the 10 lowest revenue teams can participate, but the Cardinals, who is 6th in attendance last year, got a pick as well. Are they considered a small market team? I am just a little baffle. Everyone is baffled by it. Keith Law was hammering the system on twitter last night as well as many others. Oakland didn't even get a pick. It's a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Can someone explain why the Cardinals are in the lottery. On paper it says the 10 smallest market teams, and the 10 lowest revenue teams can participate, but the Cardinals, who is 6th in attendance last year, got a pick as well. Are they considered a small market team? I am just a little baffle. If you go purely by population in the metro area, then yes, Saint Louis is definitely one of the 10 smallest. 2012 pop estimates in millions: Milwaukee 2.0 Cincinnati 2.2 Kansas City 2.4 Pittsburgh 2.7 Tampa 2.8 Saint Louis 2.9 San Diego 3.2 Denver 3.2 Cleveland 3.5 Minneapolis 3.8 Phoenix 4.2 Seattle 4.4 Detroit 5.3 Toronto 5.6 Atlanta 6.1 Houston 6.4 Miami 6.4 Dallas 7.1 Philadelphia 7.1 Boston 8.0 San Francisco/Oakland 8.4 Washington/Baltimore 9.3 Chicago 9.9 Los Angeles 18.2 New York 23.4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 10:12 AM) Everyone is baffled by it. Keith Law was hammering the system on twitter last night as well as many others. Oakland didn't even get a pick. It's a joke. Oakland gets screwed over by being part of the San Francisco market. Kinda like the Sox being screwed by being in the Chicago market, where the majority of people are fans of another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 12:11 PM) If you go purely by population in the metro area, then yes, Saint Louis is definitely one of the 10 smallest. 2012 pop estimates in millions: Milwaukee 2.0 Cincinnati 2.2 Kansas City 2.4 Pittsburgh 2.7 Tampa 2.8 Saint Louis 2.9 San Diego 3.2 Denver 3.2 Cleveland 3.5 Minneapolis 3.8 Phoenix 4.2 Seattle 4.4 Detroit 5.3 Toronto 5.6 Atlanta 6.1 Houston 6.4 Miami 6.4 Dallas 7.1 Philadelphia 7.1 Boston 8.0 San Francisco/Oakland 8.4 Washington/Baltimore 9.3 Chicago 9.9 Los Angeles 18.2 New York 23.4 That is an absurd loophole that baseball needs to fix. If we don't at any other measurements other than the market population, St. Louis definitely ranks in the upper echelon of baseball teams. This team has consistently finished in the Top 5 in attendance for the past decade, 2 world series wins in the past 7 years, currently has one of the top 5 farms systems in the league, and their team has been a perennial playoff contender every year in this century. Business wise, the most recent Forbes ranking had this team ranked 10th in terms of value (Sox at 11th), and 7th in revenue. So I do not really see how the "small" market in St. Louis is preventing the Cardinals from being a successful franchise, or the small population is preventing them from generating revenue and going out to spend $$ on free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 18, 2013 Author Share Posted July 18, 2013 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 01:58 PM) That is an absurd loophole that baseball needs to fix. If we don't at any other measurements other than the market population, St. Louis definitely ranks in the upper echelon of baseball teams. This team has consistently finished in the Top 5 in attendance for the past decade, 2 world series wins in the past 7 years, currently has one of the top 5 farms systems in the league, and their team has been a perennial playoff contender every year in this century. Business wise, the most recent Forbes ranking had this team ranked 10th in terms of value (Sox at 11th), and 7th in revenue. So I do not really see how the "small" market in St. Louis is preventing the Cardinals from being a successful franchise, or the small population is preventing them from generating revenue and going out to spend $$ on free agents. I saw that St. Louis made $239 million last season which is in the top 10 in baseball. They have absolutely no business getting extra draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Seriously, that's awful. Do it based on net revenue or wins and losses or something else. Market size is garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Kind of surprised at the outrage. Wasn't much reaction when the Tigers received one last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 04:26 PM) Kind of surprised at the outrage. Wasn't much reaction when the Tigers received one last year. That's even more puzzling. Detroit isn't in the top 10 for small teams, and they had the 10th highest revenue in 2011, unless Bud Selig's crystal ball that predicted Detroit going bankrupt in 2013. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2013 -> 03:56 PM) Seriously, that's awful. Do it based on net revenue or wins and losses or something else. Market size is garbage. Its a combination. The criteria for the first group of picks is 10 smallest markets and 10 lowest revenues. The second group of picks is the teams from the first group plus any team that received revenue sharing money. St Louis is just an incredibly well run organization to put up the type of success they have in a market of that size. It sucks that the rich get richer in this case as the Tigers did last year, but you can't penalize a team for being successful when their environmental factors suggest they shouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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