Jose Abreu Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 10:08 PM) Thanks, but I'm referring to people who have Nieto in the starting lineup. I can't blame you for being confused. The thread creator asked for starting lineups, but some people have been posting benches, 25 man rosters, etc. I was really asking for the batting order only, but I don't mind people posting extra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 09:15 PM) He's never played above Single A, so I don't know people are thinking. We have Flowers and Josh at catcher he has a good chance to break camp as the backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 11:06 PM) We have Flowers and Josh at catcher he has a good chance to break camp as the backup. Hey Soxfest, did you go to SoxFest this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 10:08 PM) Thanks, but I'm referring to people who have Nieto in the starting lineup. I can't blame you for being confused. The thread creator asked for starting lineups, but some people have been posting benches, 25 man rosters, etc. Â I have Nieto on my starting lineup for a couple reasons. Â 1) Being a rule-V pick, he has to stay on the roster this season, so I'm going to assume that they will at the very least break camp with him on the 25-man to see what they've got. 2) I don't have him as the backup simply because I feel/hope the Sox realize that Flowers is nothing more than a warm body, so I am hoping Nieto will get a chance to prove he can be the tallest midget. 3) Nieto is a switch hitter, and this lineup is largely devoid of left-handed hitters. Â And the reason why I choose Phegley as the odd man out is because he could use some time in AAA to improve his game and I believe he is the only one of the 3 guys that can be safely placed in AAA. (Nieto can't, and Flowers would have to pass through waivers, although he probably would). Edited January 28, 2014 by Chilihead90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 12:56 AM) I have Nieto on my starting lineup for a couple reasons. Â 1) Being a rule-V pick, he has to stay on the roster this season, so I'm going to assume that they will at the very least break camp with him on the 25-man to see what they've got. 2) I don't have him as the backup simply because I feel/hope the Sox realize that Flowers is nothing more than a warm body, so I am hoping Nieto will get a chance to prove he can be the tallest midget. 3) Nieto is a switch hitter, and this lineup is largely devoid of left-handed hitters. Â And the reason why I choose Phegley as the odd man out is because he could use some time in AAA to improve his game and I believe he is the only one of the 3 guys that can be safely placed in AAA. (Nieto can't, and Flowers would have to pass through waivers, although he probably would). These are the exact reasons why I have Nieto in my starting lineup. Phengley has options left so its easy to put him back at AAA while we see how a platoon of Flowers and Nieto works out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 01:14 PM) Don't get me wrong, I have no problem if he is the opening day starter, just that if he starts in the minors, it's not the worst thing in the world. Â Let's hope the sox org and Buddy Bell has learned about rushing these kids too much. Thank god Jacob May for example figured it out after starting off so brutal in Kanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) vs RHP  8 Eaton 7 De Aza 9 Garcia 3 Abreu DH Dunn 6 Ramirez 5 Gillaspie 4 Beckham 2 Phegley  vs LHP  8 Eaton 6 Ramirez 9 Garcia 3 Abreu DH Konerko 7 Viciedo 4 Beckham 5 Gillaspie 2 Phegley Edited January 28, 2014 by HickoryHuskers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 05:56 AM) Let's hope the sox org and Buddy Bell has learned about rushing these kids too much. Thank god Jacob May for example figured it out after starting off so brutal in Kanny. I can see how Davidson might benefit from some extra AAA time...but there's no reasonable standard by which he'd be "rushed" if he were on the roster out of ST. Dude's had a full year at every minor league level, including full years at AA and AAA, hasn't clearly been overmatched at any level, had a cup of coffee in September in the big leagues already and wasn't immediately terrible in those first few at bats. Â That doesn't mean he's ready, but based on any reasonable standard he's not being "rushed too much" like some of the other guys we bring along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian310 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Against righties:  Eaton Ramirez Abreu Dunn (maybe flip him and Abreu?) Garcia Viciedo Gillaspie (unless Davidson makes the team) Beckham Nieto  Against Lefties Eaton Ramirez Abreu Paulie Garcia Viciedo Beckham Flowers Keppinger (unless Davidson makes the team) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I think they evaluate Nieto during ST, then trade for him, or don't depending on what they see. Should be interesting how it plays out. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 06:56 AM) I have Nieto on my starting lineup for a couple reasons. Â 1) Being a rule-V pick, he has to stay on the roster this season, so I'm going to assume that they will at the very least break camp with him on the 25-man to see what they've got. 2) I don't have him as the backup simply because I feel/hope the Sox realize that Flowers is nothing more than a warm body, so I am hoping Nieto will get a chance to prove he can be the tallest midget. 3) Nieto is a switch hitter, and this lineup is largely devoid of left-handed hitters. Â And the reason why I choose Phegley as the odd man out is because he could use some time in AAA to improve his game and I believe he is the only one of the 3 guys that can be safely placed in AAA. (Nieto can't, and Flowers would have to pass through waivers, although he probably would). Â Has there been a catcher in the history of major league baseball who skipped both Double & Triple A? You're telling me that this guy is ready to handle a major league pitching staff? Â You guys may have your reasoning, but you're not seeing the forest. Â I'm down with Stan Bahnsen's plan. It's Double A, or back to the Nationals. Edited January 28, 2014 by hammerhead johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 10:18 AM) Has there been a catcher in the history of major league baseball who skipped both Double & Triple A? You're telling me that this guy is ready to handle a major league pitching staff? You guys may have your reasoning, but you're not seeing the forest.  I'm down with Stan Bahnsen's plan. It's Double A, or back to the Nationals.  It depends on what he looks like at the plate. Jesus Flores made the exact same transition between the Mets and Nationals and he didn't completely embarrass himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 10:18 AM) Has there been a catcher in the history of major league baseball who skipped both Double & Triple A? You're telling me that this guy is ready to handle a major league pitching staff? You guys may have your reasoning, but you're not seeing the forest.  I'm down with Stan Bahnsen's plan. It's Double A, or back to the Nationals. You asked a question that was answered with multiple reasons yet were the ones not seeing the forrest? I can see the forrest just fine and the forrest is called spring training. Let's see what Nieto can before we send him back to where he came from, Phehley and Flowers aren't the stiffest competition out there by any means.  Oh one more thing, any player selected in the rule 5 draft must remain on the 25 man roster for the entire season or be sent back to his former team, AA won't be an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 12:35 PM) You asked a question that was answered with multiple reasons yet were the ones not seeing the forrest? I can see the forrest just fine and the forrest is called spring training. Let's see what Nieto can before we send him back to where he came from, Phehley and Flowers aren't the stiffest competition out there by any means. Oh one more thing, any player selected in the rule 5 draft must remain on the 25 man roster for the entire season or be sent back to his former team, AA won't be an option. I think he's saying that, in the case that we trade for him instead of sending him back, we then put him in AA instead of throwing him onto the 25-man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 10:39 AM) I think he's saying that, in the case that we trade for him instead of sending him back, we then put him in AA instead of throwing him onto the 25-man OK, that would make sense then. We'll see how he does in ST and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 04:34 PM) Jesus Flores  That's impressive, wite. And disturbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 Pretty sure we re-signed TFlow to be our starting catcher (and also hoping that he only sucked due to his shoulder). I've said it before and I'll say it again- I'll take a healthy Tyler Flowers over a healthy Josh Phegley any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 That being said, I like this lineup: Â 1. Eaton 2. Ramirez 3. Garcia 4. Abreu 5. Dunn 6. Viciedo 7. Davidson 8. Beckham 9. Flowers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 I actually prefer Alexei in the 2-hole. .284 with 6 home runs is better than .265 with 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 09:39 AM) I think he's saying that, in the case that we trade for him instead of sending him back, we then put him in AA instead of throwing him onto the 25-man  Yep. I mean, he could blow them away in ST, to the point of earning the spot on the 25 man, but that would be surprising to me. And when the other guy is FlowGley, it's not like we'll be able to hide him. He'll have to play a lot - and that might not be the best thing for the team/young pitching staff, or for the kid's development. Edited January 28, 2014 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 10:51 AM) That's impressive, wite. And disturbing. Â Hey, what can I say, I like the baseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 1. Eaton 2. De Aza* 3. A. Garcia 4. Abreu 5. Alexei* 6. Beckham 7. Dunn 8. Gillaspie 9. Nieto  If Vic plays, he hits 5th and Alexei 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 By the time they get to opening day, I hope it's something like this, unless they get another catcher: Â 1. Eaton - CF 2. Ramirez - SS 3. Abreu - 1B 4. Dunn - DH 5. Garcia - RF 6. Viciedo - LF 7. Davidson - 3B 8. Flowers - C 9. Beckham - 2B Â Bench- Konerko 1B/DH, Danks OF, Garcia IF/OF, Nieto C (rooting for Nieto to be good enough to keep) Â Move De Aza, Keppinger, and Gillaspie by opening day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 10:18 AM) Has there been a catcher in the history of major league baseball who skipped both Double & Triple A? You're telling me that this guy is ready to handle a major league pitching staff? You guys may have your reasoning, but you're not seeing the forest.  I'm down with Stan Bahnsen's plan. It's Double A, or back to the Nationals.  I'm not telling you that, the White Sox are, by taking him in the Rule-V draft. There is no "send him to AA" option right now.  EDIT: Yes, they could trade for him in ST, but I'm basing my moves on the team as currently constructed, not making any assumptions on future trades. Edited January 28, 2014 by Chilihead90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I see it done a lot - even by the professional media - so I mean not to call anybody out, but I just so happened to see Joe do it which brought it to mind... Â It's actually the Rule 5 draft, not Rule V. Semantics I know, but it's better to be correct than incorrect. The Rule 4 draft is the First Year Player Draft. Â I'm also sure it won't be the last time I do this too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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