Jose Abreu Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 Wouldn't Garcia hit too many home runs to be a #2 hitter? I have him going 24/77 in the 3/5 holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 02:49 PM) Wouldn't Garcia hit too many home runs to be a #2 hitter? I have him going 24/77 in the 3/5 holes. If there is such a thing, perhaps he could do so. But the counterpoints are, he has some speed, him hitting in the #2 slot has him getting extra at-bats on the year, it makes the lineup flow a little better than having 3 righties back to back going 2-4 (Ramirez, Garcia, Abreu), and I personally dislike Alexei in the 2-slot as I think it hurts his approach at the plate, taking away some of his power numbers (which could, btw, help him be a more tradeable asset if he can push those numbers higher again). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 01:49 PM) Wouldn't Garcia hit too many home runs to be a #2 hitter? I have him going 24/77 in the 3/5 holes. Â There is no such thing as too many home runs, but 24 homers for Garcia is awfully optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 PECOTA pegs Garcia to hit 8 homers. Seems a little low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 01:57 PM) If there is such a thing, perhaps he could do so. But the counterpoints are, he has some speed, him hitting in the #2 slot has him getting extra at-bats on the year, it makes the lineup flow a little better than having 3 righties back to back going 2-4 (Ramirez, Garcia, Abreu), and I personally dislike Alexei in the 2-slot as I think it hurts his approach at the plate, taking away some of his power numbers (which could, btw, help him be a more tradeable asset if he can push those numbers higher again). Â Â QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 02:01 PM) There is no such thing as too many home runs, but 24 homers for Garcia is awfully optimistic. Â Â QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 02:05 PM) PECOTA pegs Garcia to hit 8 homers. Seems a little low. Â I did the math. If Avi were to play at the same level he did for 150 games last year, he would've hit: 19 homers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 02:08 PM) I did the math. If Avi were to play at the same level he did for 150 games last year, he would've hit: 19 homers. Â I think you need to check your math. No matter how I calculate this, I don't come up with 19. Â Sox/Tigers - 7 HRs in 72 games. 150/72*7=14.5 Just Sox - 5 HRs in 42 games. 150/42*5=17.8 By PAs - 7 HRs in 256 PAs. 256/7=36.5 would require 694 PAs (not happening) to hit 19 By ABs - 7 HRs in 244 ABs. 244/7=34.85 would require 662 ABs (not happening) to hit 19 Â Not a big deal, just curious how you got 19. Edited January 27, 2014 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 02:23 PM) I think you need to check your math. No matter how I calculate this, I don't come up with 19. Sox/Tigers - 7 HRs in 72 games. 150/72*7=14.5 Just Sox - 5 HRs in 42 games. 150/42*5=17.8 By PAs - 7 HRs in 256 PAs. 256/7=36.5 would require 694 PAs (not happening) to hit 19 By ABs - 7 HRs in 244 ABs. 244/7=34.85 would require 662 ABs (not happening) to hit 19  Not a big deal, just curious how you got 19.  With the Sox, he hit a homer every 33.6 PAs. Over the duration of a season, given 650 PAs, it comes out to 19 homers.  To me, that's still pretty optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 02:23 PM) I think you need to check your math. No matter how I calculate this, I don't come up with 19. Sox/Tigers - 7 HRs in 72 games. 150/72*7=14.5 Just Sox - 5 HRs in 42 games. 150/42*5=17.8 By PAs - 7 HRs in 256 PAs. 256/7=36.5 would require 694 PAs (not happening) to hit 19 By ABs - 7 HRs in 244 ABs. 244/7=34.85 would require 662 ABs (not happening) to hit 19  Not a big deal, just curious how you got 19.   QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 02:28 PM) With the Sox, he hit a homer every 33.6 PAs. Over the duration of a season, given 650 PAs, it comes out to 19 homers.  To me, that's still pretty optimistic. I used PA's for just Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 03:28 PM) Finally someone agrees with me on Alexei and the 2 spot. Â I don't see Garcia as a the two hitter. The FO repeatedly refers to him as a middle of the order hitter. The ideal thing would be for Beckham to hit like .300-ish for the full season because even with the streak of righties that makes the order work a lot better (and the streak of righties is almost unavoidable somewhere). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 02:40 PM) The ideal thing would be for Beckham to hit like .300-ish for the full season because even with the streak of righties that makes the order work a lot better (and the streak of righties is almost unavoidable somewhere). Â If Beckham developed into what we though he was going to, he would be taylor made for the 2 hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 02:05 PM) PECOTA pegs Garcia to hit 8 homers. Seems a little low. Â The projection systems seem to be all over the board on him. I'm guessing that they all handle his BABIP differently. I think OLIVER is projecting 0.6 fWAR and Steamer is projecting like 3.0 fWAR. I think they're both in the 14-18HR range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I see Garcia as being an Alex Rios type guy, which is why I had him in the #3 hole. Offensively he could hit about .280, hit 20 HR, steal 20-30 bags. That's where I feel he is likely to land statistically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 04:18 PM) I see Garcia as being an Alex Rios type guy, which is why I had him in the #3 hole. Offensively he could hit about .280, hit 20 HR, steal 20-30 bags. That's where I feel he is likely to land statistically. I'd agree, just wondering whether he is best suited to hit there now and whether that's best for this roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 03:18 PM) I'd agree, just wondering whether he is best suited to hit there now and whether that's best for this roster. Yeah, didn't Rios lead off in his first few seasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I could see Garcia being Jermaine Dye 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 03:18 PM) I'd agree, just wondering whether he is best suited to hit there now and whether that's best for this roster. Â He doesn't have the profile to hit 3rd yet. He should be around the 7th spot in a typical lineup, but for the lineup I constructed, I was trying to get him as many PA as I could while getting him to get used to that future role. Â Does anyone have the numbers on typically how many extra PA you get from batting in one spot in the lineup versus another spot? I would guess the different from the 3rd hole to the 7th hole would be around 40-50 PA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (staxx @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 03:44 PM) I could see Garcia being Jermaine Dye 2.0 Â I was thinking of an early Maggs. More toward a higher average, with power that comes without effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 03:58 PM) He doesn't have the profile to hit 3rd yet. He should be around the 7th spot in a typical lineup, but for the lineup I constructed, I was trying to get him as many PA as I could while getting him to get used to that future role. Â Does anyone have the numbers on typically how many extra PA you get from batting in one spot in the lineup versus another spot? I would guess the different from the 3rd hole to the 7th hole would be around 40-50 PA? Â Over the course of a season, a guy will typically get 19 more plate appearances than the person he hits in front of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 04:08 PM) Over the course of a season, a guy will typically get 19 more plate appearances than the person he hits in front of. Â Ok, so about 80 more PA for Avi hitting 3rd vs. 7th then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 04:28 PM) Ok, so about 80 more PA for Avi hitting 3rd vs. 7th then. Â Safe to figure that's pretty accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) I'd rather have Ramirez in the bottom of the line up in hopes that he starts turning on more balls. I remember Robin saying that they were asking him to last year, but he was too focused on trying to be a 2 hitter. If he can show more of that old power, his trade value goes up greatly at the deadline. Edited January 27, 2014 by TaylorStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 06:37 PM) As things stand, best 2015 lineup:Â CF Eaton 2B Semien RF Garcia 1B Abreu DH Viciedo 3B Davidson C Nieto SS Leury LF Johnson (really pushing it here) Â Not a lot of power there though. And if Beckham FINALLY comes though (how long have we been saying this?) then things change considerably. And man would Castro look GREAT in there somewhere. Â There's a lot of outs in that lineup! Obviously, young guys can surprise, but expect growing pains with this lineup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I saw Nieto's name more than I figured here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 01:25 AM) I saw Nieto's name more than I figured here. Â He's never played above Single A, so I don't know people are thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 03:23 AM) People are thinking he is going to be on the roster which is pretty likely. He's a back up catcher, if he is on the roster he is going to play. Â Thanks, but I'm referring to people who have Nieto in the starting lineup. I can't blame you for being confused. The thread creator asked for starting lineups, but some people have been posting benches, 25 man rosters, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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