GGajewski18 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 10:47 AM) Right now these guys seem like locks for next year: C: Flowers LF: Tank/Semien/Danks/Taylor/Mitchell DH: Tank/Wilkins/Taylor I agree that LF & DH are higher priorities, but improving at catcher should also be on the to-do list. Flowers may be passable by league standards, but hoping for average production out of a position should never be a goal. I'm pretty sure Hahn will be looking for an upgrade this offseason, whether he can find one at semi-reasonable price will be the true challenge. I think improving in LF and/or DH is a lot more important than upgrading the catching position. You wouldn't take Flowers hitting 240 with 10+ HRs and 50+ RBIs in the 8-9 hole in the line up. Not to mention he works well with the pitching staff. I say use our resources elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 09:25 AM) good point but as LittleHurt05 said, i can deal with Flowers. i rather save what ever salary the sox will use to get a better player at another position. Which position? LF is the next biggest hole unless you want to bail on all of our MI prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 Dan Hayes @CSNHayes 1h Tyler Flowers has 2 bWAR and 1.4 fWAR despite a less than league average showing on offense. Enough to convince you? http://bit.ly/1qoqppi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 10:05 AM) Dan Hayes @CSNHayes 1h Tyler Flowers has 2 bWAR and 1.4 fWAR despite a less than league average showing on offense. Enough to convince you? http://bit.ly/1qoqppi Enough to convince me he can be a slightly below average big leaguer if his defense remains strong, yes Dan Hayes. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to upgrade there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 11:05 AM) Dan Hayes @CSNHayes 1h Tyler Flowers has 2 bWAR and 1.4 fWAR despite a less than league average showing on offense. Enough to convince you? http://bit.ly/1qoqppi Honestly, it's because he's a catcher. He gets +12.5 runs from being a catcher alone over 600 PA. Unless you've got a .270 wOBA, you're going to get about 1 fWAR if you're a catcher getting 450 PAs. Tyler's at a .303 wOBA this year, which I'm surprisingly fine with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 10:47 AM) Right now these guys seem like locks for next year: 1B: Abreu 2B: Johnson/Semien/Sanchez SS: Ramirez 3B: Gillaspie CF: Eaton RF: Garcia That's six spots in our lineup already filled. As of today, here's how we'd fill the other spots internally: C: Flowers LF: Tank/Semien/Danks/Taylor/Mitchell DH: Tank/Wilkins/Taylor I agree that LF & DH are higher priorities, but improving at catcher should also be on the to-do list. Flowers may be passable by league standards, but hoping for average production out of a position should never be a goal. I'm pretty sure Hahn will be looking for an upgrade this offseason, whether he can find one at semi-reasonable price will be the true challenge. The highest priority should be the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 11:16 AM) The highest priority should be the bullpen. A big time starter and the pen A big bat for the OF or DH Flowers replacement would cost more in players or cash than it is worth. See McCann, Brian or Montero, Jesus. Seattle lucked out with the injury to Pineda but if he comes back to what he was, that was bad trade for Seattl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 11:31 AM) Flowers replacement would cost more in players or cash than it is worth. See McCann, Brian or Montero, Jesus. Seattle lucked out with the injury to Pineda but if he comes back to what he was, that was bad trade for Seattl. Nah, just try to win the bidding for Russell Martin. Anything south of 4/60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 12:45 PM) Nah, just try to win the bidding for Russell Martin. Anything south of 4/60. I wouldn't give Martin more than $40 million and I think the market will probably agree. I think something around 3 years for $36 million is the most he'll get. I also feel like that's worth it considering he's been a 4-5 WAR player the past two years despite a mediocre 2013 with the bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 11:59 AM) I wouldn't give Martin more than $40 million and I think the market will probably agree. I think something around 3 years for $36 million is the most he'll get. I also feel like that's worth it considering he's been a 4-5 WAR player the past two years despite a mediocre 2013 with the bat. Also, the skillset is one that should age well. Elite defender with improving plate discipline? I'll take it. Even if his bat declines to Flowers levels, he'll be a plus gamecaller until he retires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 3, 2014 -> 02:25 PM) Also, the skillset is one that should age well. Elite defender with improving plate discipline? I'll take it. Even if his bat declines to Flowers levels, he'll be a plus gamecaller until he retires. Him in the 2 spot would be pretty awesome. You can then have two guys who get on at around 36-37% of the time in front of Abreu. Edited September 3, 2014 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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