November 23, 201411 yr QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Nov 23, 2014 -> 06:18 AM) I think I'm probably in the vast minority, but I'd trade Q for Bruce straight up. That's assuming Bruce is back to 100%. I think he'd bring more to the Sox than Quintana. I know people mention his contract but 17 mill, or whatever he's scheduled to make, doesn't seem all that bad when the Sox just gave 12.5 mill to a 35 year old part time DH. Maybe I overrate Bruce, but a 27 year old who has put up his kind of numbers is the type of guy that can be a major building block. You overrate Bruce, and vastly underrate Q and his worth. If this trade was straight up, the Sox would be robbed. If Q goes in a trade with Cincy, there better be more coming with Bruce
November 23, 201411 yr QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Nov 23, 2014 -> 06:18 AM) I think I'm probably in the vast minority, but I'd trade Q for Bruce straight up. That's assuming Bruce is back to 100%. I think he'd bring more to the Sox than Quintana. I know people mention his contract but 17 mill, or whatever he's scheduled to make, doesn't seem all that bad when the Sox just gave 12.5 mill to a 35 year old part time DH. Maybe I overrate Bruce, but a 27 year old who has put up his kind of numbers is the type of guy that can be a major building block. Q is a better pitcher than Bruce is a position player (even using his pre 2014 numbers). Bruce is Carlos Lee without being a pure clown defensively. He's good, not great. What is that worth? Edited November 23, 201411 yr by GreenSox
November 23, 201411 yr QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 23, 2014 -> 10:33 AM) Q is a better pitcher than Bruce is a position player (even using his pre 2014 numbers). Bruce is Carlos Lee without being a pure clown defensively. He's good, not great. What is that worth? Scott Podsednik + Luis Vizcaino.
November 23, 201411 yr Glad to see at least some people are now coming out and appreciating Q's worth.
November 24, 201411 yr QUOTE (SCCWS @ Nov 23, 2014 -> 08:43 AM) I also think Q is pretty much untouchable. In reagrds to Lester, his 3-0 w a sub.50 ERA in 2 World Series puts him pretty much at the top of the food chain. He may be as good as any lefthander not named Sale in baseball. Lester will get more than $100 Mil. My guess is $130-140 for 5-6 years. Or Kershaw. Or Bumgarner.
November 24, 201411 yr QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Nov 23, 2014 -> 09:50 PM) How did the Sox win in 05? Seriously. Freak pitching and homers
November 24, 201411 yr QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 23, 2014 -> 11:05 PM) Freak pitching and homers Freak pitching = Quintana
November 28, 201411 yr http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/quic...ft-capuano.html Read the part for Bruce (obviously). I think if Sox were to acquire Bruce, it would have to be a 3 way deal.
November 28, 201411 yr i wonder if they will bite on a rtn of C Beck, T Thompson, M Davidson. they are ready to take the next step in the majors.
November 28, 201411 yr QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 10:08 AM) i wonder if they will bite on a rtn of C Beck, T Thompson, M Davidson. they are ready to take the next step in the majors. I doubt it, they have no need for Davidson because they have Votto at first and Frazier at third. Plus, I think thats giving up on Davidson to early. He had one bad year like Bruce, he'll figure it out and still could be this teams third baseman of the future.
November 28, 201411 yr QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 05:10 PM) I doubt it, they have no need for Davidson because they have Votto at first and Frazier at third. Plus, I think thats giving up on Davidson to early. He had one bad year like Bruce, he'll figure it out and still could be this teams third baseman of the future. then that should be a sweet carrot to make it work. put him in the outfield.
November 28, 201411 yr QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 10:11 AM) then that should be a sweet carrot to make it work. put him in the outfield. He has never played the OF, he played SS before the OF.
November 28, 201411 yr QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 11:10 AM) I doubt it, they have no need for Davidson because they have Votto at first and Frazier at third. Plus, I think thats giving up on Davidson to early. He had one bad year like Bruce, he'll figure it out and still could be this teams third baseman of the future. Note the green text, friend
November 28, 201411 yr So a new Star Wars trailer came out today. And no to Jay Bruce, if I want anyone from the Reds it's Joey Cueto.
November 28, 201411 yr QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 10:20 AM) So a new Star Wars trailer came out today. And no to Jay Bruce, if I want anyone from the Reds it's Joey Cueto. Votto would be pretty nice.
November 28, 201411 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 11:32 AM) Votto would be pretty nice. Not at 9/$200m for ages 32-41 coming off an injury-riddled season.
November 28, 201411 yr QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 11:05 AM) Not at 9/$200m for ages 32-41 coming off an injury-riddled season. I would take him in a heartbeat.
November 28, 201411 yr I would take him in a heartbeat. I realize that this is already a hypothetical that will never happen, but the Sox have two 1B/DH already under contract for the next two years.
November 28, 201411 yr QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 11:31 AM) I realize that this is already a hypothetical that will never happen, but the Sox have two 1B/DH already under contract for the next two years. Obviously, although Boston was thinking about trying to make Abreu a third baseman.
November 28, 201411 yr Obviously, although Boston was thinking about trying to make Abreu a third baseman. That would be pretty bad. I would guess LaRoche would fare better at 3B than Abreu or Votto.
November 28, 201411 yr QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 11:49 AM) That would be pretty bad. I would guess LaRoche would fare better at 3B than Abreu or Votto. He'd be like Mike Squires. LH 3B.
November 28, 201411 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 12:28 PM) I would take him in a heartbeat. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 12:38 PM) Obviously, although Boston was thinking about trying to make Abreu a third baseman.
November 28, 201411 yr QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 12:08 PM) I wouldn't have done it, but that was the story. If the Sox were even thinking about getting Votto, they wouldn't have signed LaRoche obviously. But Votto hitting 3rd with Abreu 4th would be quite a dynamic duo. That's all I'm saying.
November 28, 201411 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 07:33 PM) I wouldn't have done it, but that was the story. If the Sox were even thinking about getting Votto, they wouldn't have signed LaRoche obviously. But Votto hitting 3rd with Abreu 4th would be quite a dynamic duo. That's all I'm saying. the now time, that will be a great combo. however from age 36-41 that contract would be almost a hangman noose. esp if he looses his hitting. i wonder if Trout can be had. Edited November 28, 201411 yr by LDF
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