witesoxfan Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 09:05 AM) Just keep in mind Hahn and KW have been touting how happy they were all the pieces fell into place. They couldn't bank on that. Right. Imagine this roster without Melky Cabrera AND Viciedo. That's a roster that has Jordan Danks, JB Shuck or some other minor leaguer getting significant playing time as a starter in LF. That does not sound like a good time. QUOTE (glangon @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 09:11 AM) If I remember correctly, wasn't tank originally a 3rd baseman. If we are retaining his services and don't need him for the outfield. Is it worth using Spring Training to hone his 3B skills? That way he could spot Gillaspie againt lefties and be a bench option to come in late. Viciedo will never play 3B again. He was awful over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 10:17 AM) Viciedo will never play 3B again. feels like a movie scene by a hospital bed 'dayan has been in a tragic accident and...' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 10:17 AM) Right. Imagine this roster without Melky Cabrera AND Viciedo. That's a roster that has Jordan Danks, JB Shuck or some other minor leaguer getting significant playing time as a starter in LF. That does not sound like a good time. Imagine this roster without Melky Cabrera and with Viciedo. It's pretty much equally bad but with a tad bit more money. Maybe worse, far more circus music to be played in the background on average fly balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 09:17 AM) feels like a movie scene by a hospital bed 'dayan has been in a tragic accident and...' Speaking of tragic accidents, did you see Viciedo play 3rd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 09:23 AM) Imagine this roster without Melky Cabrera and with Viciedo. It's pretty much equally bad but with a tad bit more money. Maybe worse, far more circus music to be played in the background on average fly balls. Then I think you are one of the few people on this board who would have rather started Jordan Danks or JB Shuck in LF over a guy in Dayan Viciedo who clearly shows talent and has a bat that can carry and offense if or when he figures it out. He probably ends up like Wily Mo Pena or Wladimir Balentien and starts crushing the ball overseas, but I'd much rather take my chance on a guy who could become a big time hitter than on a couple of guys who never will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 09:28 AM) Then I think you are one of the few people on this board who would have rather started Jordan Danks or JB Shuck in LF over a guy in Dayan Viciedo who clearly shows talent and has a bat that can carry and offense if or when he figures it out. He probably ends up like Wily Mo Pena or Wladimir Balentien and starts crushing the ball overseas, but I'd much rather take my chance on a guy who could become a big time hitter than on a couple of guys who never will be. I honestly wonder if the defensive improvement of a guy like Jordan Danks, would outweigh the black hole of Dayan Viciedo defensively, versus what they would produce with the bat. With Danks you would get lightyears a better defender, and a much better baserunner. Viciedo you would get much better power numbers. Both would strike out around the same number of times, so that is a wash. Over a full season, which is better? I guess it depends on the players around him. This year I honestly the think with the improved offense, Danks would be better for the pitching staff, and with the improved offense, it would be easier to hide his bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I honestly wonder if the defensive improvement of a guy like Jordan Danks, would outweigh the black hole of Dayan Viciedo defensively, versus what they would produce with the bat. With Danks you would get lightyears a better defender, and a much better baserunner. Viciedo you would get much better power numbers. Both would strike out around the same number of times, so that is a wash. Over a full season, which is better? I guess it depends on the players around him. This year I honestly the think with the improved offense, Danks would be better for the pitching staff, and with the improved offense, it would be easier to hide his bat. Given the expectation that the 3 starting outfielders will pretty much be everyday starters, Danks makes much more sense for the role of 4th OF than Viciedo, especially given the salary difference. Now, if you have a crystal ball and know in advance that Melky or Avi are going to require significant DL time, then I'd rather have Viciedo out there starting 15+ games. Of course, if Eaton is the one who ends up with the DL time, you're much better off having Danks than Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 10:23 AM) Imagine this roster without Melky Cabrera and with Viciedo. It's pretty much equally bad but with a tad bit more money. Maybe worse, far more circus music to be played in the background on average fly balls. What? How? How is Melky not a SUBTSTANTIAL offensive upgrade over Viciedo? How is Viciedo any better defensively? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 10:12 AM) What? How? How is Melky not a SUBTSTANTIAL offensive upgrade over Viciedo? How is Viciedo any better defensively? Think he meant Viciedo's not much of an upgrade over JorDanks/whoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 04:28 PM) Think he meant Viciedo's not much of an upgrade over JorDanks/whoever. That's not what he wrote. He said the roster without Melky and Viciedo is equally bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 10:30 AM) That's not what he wrote. He said the roster without Melky and Viciedo is equally bad. I'm not in Balta's head, but here's the flow of the conversation: QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 09:17 AM) Right. Imagine this roster without Melky Cabrera AND Viciedo. That's a roster that has Jordan Danks, JB Shuck or some other minor leaguer getting significant playing time as a starter in LF. That does not sound like a good time. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 09:23 AM) Imagine this roster without Melky Cabrera and with Viciedo. It's pretty much equally bad but with a tad bit more money. Maybe worse, far more circus music to be played in the background on average fly balls. The bolded wasn't actually in Balta's post but it's kind of an implied phrase. I initially read it the way you guys did but then thought there's no way anybody could think Melky is not better than Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 04:41 PM) I'm not in Balta's head, but here's the flow of the conversation: The bolded wasn't actually in Balta's post but it's kind of an implied phrase. I initially read it the way you guys did but then thought there's no way anybody could think Melky is not better than Viciedo. Gotcha. Let's let this develop though. There really just is not that much risk here to get upset about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 10:28 AM) Then I think you are one of the few people on this board who would have rather started Jordan Danks or JB Shuck in LF over a guy in Dayan Viciedo who clearly shows talent and has a bat that can carry and offense if or when he figures it out. If for some reason it was government mandated that either Viciedo or Danks start, I would rather start Danks. Viciedo has to be one of the league's best hitters in order to be worthwhile if he is also butchering flyballs in the outfield. His floor is incredibly low (see last year) and he manages to keep lowering it. The point is moot. The situation never would never have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 18, 2014 -> 11:41 AM) I'm not in Balta's head, but here's the flow of the conversation: The bolded wasn't actually in Balta's post but it's kind of an implied phrase. I initially read it the way you guys did but then thought there's no way anybody could think Melky is not better than Viciedo. Ok, I see. Yeah I read that totally wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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