Red Sox fired Juan Nieves. Now Sox can fire Robin and name Coop interim manager and bring back Nieves as pitching coach..................................

NOOooooooooooooooooo! Get someone from the outside. No more dogs returning to their vomit.

Hire Coop. He was so crabby again in his Score interview posted on the 670 page. Awesome how annoyed he gets.

just realized the twins passed the sox in the standings

 

looooool smh.

just realized the twins passed the sox in the standings

 

looooool smh.

 

You didn't realize that when they swept the sox in four games?

From Whitesox.com, they are concerned about the defense:

 

In reality, the White Sox are concerned but not worried about the 10-15 start. They put in the extra work during Spring Training in areas of the game where they are currently struggling, paying specific detail to baserunning and defensive fundamentals on the back fields of Camelback Ranch, as examples.

 

But as Williams pointed out, a team never knows what player is going to struggle in Spring Training and then hit .400 to start the season or vice versa. It can play out the same way in certain areas with the whole team.

 

There's a definite desire for continued improvement. Williams mentioned defense as his primary concern expressed during a Tuesday front-office meeting, but he doesn't have as much concern with the struggling starting rotation or the offense that came to life late on Wednesday.

 

Fact: The Tigers and Royals rely on speed/athleticism and defense more than the rest of their AL peers. Strip away Cabrera and Victor, its nothing like the plodding station to station to station offenses of the past decade.

 

The White Sox have added Micah, but thst is still a defensive downgrade from Beckham for this season.

 

Cabrera is so-so at best (improvement on DeAza/Viciedo)....and Garcia is a great athlete with a plus arm and terrible instincts that will be hard to overcome.

 

Finally, Whe you consider Conor, Tyler, Micah, Eaton's throwing, Alexei's aging/loss of range....and the fact that the best defender for now is rarely on the field (LaRoche for Abreu), it is a recipe for disaster to give up a run or two per game when you're usually scoring 0-4 runs.

 

 

And the only available "upgrades" are Trayce Thompson and Carlos Sanchez....sigh.

 

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/b...nded/order/true

Look at 4 6 and 29. Heck, Rizzo alone has us beat on the basepaths.

Edited May 8, 201510 yr by caulfield12

From Whitesox.com, they are concerned about the defense:

 

In reality, the White Sox are concerned but not worried about the 10-15 start. They put in the extra work during Spring Training in areas of the game where they are currently struggling, paying specific detail to baserunning and defensive fundamentals on the back fields of Camelback Ranch, as examples.

 

But as Williams pointed out, a team never knows what player is going to struggle in Spring Training and then hit .400 to start the season or vice versa. It can play out the same way in certain areas with the whole team.

 

There's a definite desire for continued improvement. Williams mentioned defense as his primary concern expressed during a Tuesday front-office meeting, but he doesn't have as much concern with the struggling starting rotation or the offense that came to life late on Wednesday.

I'm amazed that you'd so directly state that the team's leadership has lost the players.

I'm amazed that you'd so directly state that the team's leadership has lost the players.

I don't know where you would read that, but it isn't the first time what you appear to be fact has nothing to do with reality.

I don't know where you would read that, but it isn't the first time what you appear to be fact has nothing to do with reality.

"The manager had them work on this a ton but they tuned him out so badly that the result is they're struggling with the things on the field they were supposed to be practicing".

 

Either that or "The management thinks this is important, tried to make people work on it, and they flat out didn't listen".

"The manager had them work on this a ton but they tuned him out so badly that the result is they're struggling with the things on the field they were supposed to be practicing".

 

Either that or "The management thinks this is important, tried to make people work on it, and they flat out didn't listen".

It isn't that simple. You are implying they "tuned" the manager out, no one is saying that, and you have moved the goalpost once again. If you really want to know the truth, Robin probably didn't even run the drills.

 

Just because you take 10,000 grounders doesn't mean you will be gold glove calibur unless you are just "tuning"out your boss.

It isn't that simple. You are implying they "tuned" the manager out, no one is saying that, and you have moved the goalpost once again. If you really want to know the truth, Robin probably didn't even run the drills.

 

Just because you take 10,000 grounders doesn't mean you will be gold glove calibur unless you are just "tuning"out your boss.

But when the manager tells you to hit the cutoff man, you work on hitting the cutoff man, and then you throw the ball to home and let a guy go to 3b because you threw home instead of to the cutoff man...

But when the manager tells you to hit the cutoff man, you work on hitting the cutoff man, and then you throw the ball to home and let a guy go to 3b because you threw home instead of to the cutoff man...

 

 

Exactly how would firing the manager fix that?

 

If you order something in a restaurant to go, and you get back home or to your office, and the order is all screwed up, do you blame yourself for not being clear enough?

 

 

 

a good discussion going on, this is my take, the sox get the players and hope for the development to take them to the next step. what is lacking is the fundamental of the game. those, yes it should be instinctive but it is helped thru drills. those drills should come from the coaches. the manager oversee everything. but the buck stops with him.

 

they need to drill those fundamental into their head, so when it happens, it becomes an automatic reflects. that is done when, as someone already mention, they get 1,000+ balls hit to them. they have to do the same drill, cutoff, know the situation on hand, know the score, know how many outs, know where the runners are.

 

it is nothing but reps.

The White Sox have added Micah, but thst is still a defensive downgrade from Beckham for this season.

 

Cabrera is so-so at best (improvement on DeAza/Viciedo)....and Garcia is a great athlete with a plus arm and terrible instincts that will be hard to overcome.

 

Finally, Whe you consider Conor, Tyler, Micah, Eaton's throwing, Alexei's aging/loss of range....and the fact that the best defender for now is rarely on the field (LaRoche for Abreu), it is a recipe for disaster to give up a run or two per game when you're usually scoring 0-4 runs.

 

And the only available "upgrades" are Trayce Thompson and Carlos Sanchez....sigh.

I'm not sure why you're being flippant toward Thompson and Sanchez. Both of those guys look to be, at worst, above-average defensively at their respective positions.

 

Too bad we didn't sign Markakis instead of LaRaroche and had Avi DH.

Edited May 8, 201510 yr by Señor Ding-Dong

I'm not sure why you're being flippant toward Thompson and Sanchez. Both of those guys look to be, at worst, above-average defensively at their respective positions.

 

Too bad we didn't sign Markakis instead of LaRaroche and had Avi DH.

 

 

Because their offense wont offset their perceived advantages defensively.

Exactly how would firing the manager fix that?

 

If you order something in a restaurant to go, and you get back home or to your office, and the order is all screwed up, do you blame yourself for not being clear enough?

 

 

50/50.

 

 

50/50.

While I don't buy that, let's see if you could be more honest here. If White Sox baserunning was stellar up until this point, who would get the credit? Coleman or Ventura?

 

 

While I don't buy that, let's see if you could be more honest here. If White Sox baserunning was stellar up until this point, who would get the credit? Coleman or Ventura?

Trick question....Coleman and Kenny Williams.

Nieves should be hired in some capacity with this team. He does not appear to be missed but he did seem to do good work.

Trick question....Coleman and Kenny Williams.

 

which came first, the chicken or the egg?