I believe the Sox have the 2nd to worst record in the majors since the beginning of 2013, and let's not forget about the collapse in 2012.

 

It's probably a little more than a lack of talent.

 

What's happening with this organization is a failure from the top-down; not just players playing bad or under-performing.

I don't even know how to fix this mess at this point. I'm rooting for us to lose a bit more over the next couple weeks so the young guys get a chance to play and we can see what we have.

Really? You want to see guys who hit worse than Carlos Sanchez?

Really? You want to see guys who hit worse than Carlos Sanchez?

well that is one way to ensure the #1 pick.

I put it on the owner for the simple reason that no one in the front office or on the field is operating with the possibility that their job is in jeopardy. There is an "aw shucks, let's go get some ice cream" attitude permeating through the organization.

Really? You want to see guys who hit worse than Carlos Sanchez?

No I was thinking more along the lines of giving Erik Johnson a shot and giving Junior Guerra more innings. I don't really want to see Davidson strike out 50% of the time.

No I was thinking more along the lines of giving Erik Johnson a shot and giving Junior Guerra more innings. I don't really want to see Davidson strike out 50% of the time.

 

that is funny, someone on soxtalk is obsessed with that idea,.

No I was thinking more along the lines of giving Erik Johnson a shot and giving Junior Guerra more innings. I don't really want to see Davidson strike out 50% of the time.

I think Trace Thompson would do the same thing. Johnson is intriquing, but I would give it a couple more starts in AAA. Guerra is up, and I am sure will get more innings when his performances warrants them.

that is funny, someone on soxtalk is obsessed with that idea,.

 

People really have no basis for the argument that his K rate is going to skyrocket when he comes to the majors. In the short sample size of his major league career already, he has maintained roughly the same K rate as his minor league career.

I think Trace Thompson would do the same thing. Johnson is intriquing, but I would give it a couple more starts in AAA. Guerra is up, and I am sure will get more innings when his performances warrants them.

 

I thnk Trayce could potentially be a 1.5-1.8 WAR player even with higher strikeout totals. He deserves a chance.

I thnk Trayce could potentially be a 1.5-1.8 WAR player even with higher strikeout totals. He deserves a chance.

See what his numbers are Sept. 1. If they are still where they are, yes he deserves a chance, but right now, you are asking for failure.

People really have no basis for the argument that his K rate is going to skyrocket when he comes to the majors. In the short sample size of his major league career already, he has maintained roughly the same K rate as his minor league career.

 

but at the same time, no one should expect that he will have a better offensive stats in the majors, if he can't do it in the minors against lesser talent.

People really have no basis for the argument that his K rate is going to skyrocket when he comes to the majors. In the short sample size of his major league career already, he has maintained roughly the same K rate as his minor league career.

You're basing it on a September call up a couple of years ago? Not only that, his K rate was higher in the majors than minors that year, and his k rate in the minors is getting worse.

 

 

There is plenty of basis to think Davidson would strike out more in the majors than he does in the minors. That's just laughable you think there is not.

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Coop wasn't combative this time, but he wasn't taking any blame either. All on the players; nothing on the coaching staff.

 

Not exactly the same as Hahn's, "We're all in this together".

 

We'll see how this organization looks in 5 months. Hopefully different.

 

if he is throwing the players under the bus, then he should mention names. really stir the pot.

if he is throwing the players under the bus, then he should mention names. really stir the pot.

We hear how the White Sox are so behind in the times, but yelling and screaming and embarrassing guys as a way to get them to perform better seems to be as archaic as anything. I know we with our pitchforks would love that, but in real life is there anyone here that really wouldn't mind their boss throwing them under a bus, ranting and raving and telling everyone who would listen how badly they screwed up? Does anyone here really think that would make them a better employee?

Edited June 18, 201510 yr by Dick Allen

We hear how the White Sox are so behind in the times, but yelling and screaming and embarrassing guys as a way to get them to perform better seems to be as archaic as anything. I know we with our pitchforks would love that, but in real life is there anyone here that really wouldn't mind their boss throwing them under a bus, ranting and raving and telling everyone who would listen how badly they screwed up? Does anyone here really think that would make them a better employee?

 

you have an excellent point, but there has to be some half way point between the 2 ways to make a point.

 

doing this, lets keep it in the clubhouse has it valid point, but sometimes a show of emotions has to come forth.

 

a couple weeks ago, RV has a problem with conors and replace him and for 2 games afterward . what other way to make a point to the players.

I don't have any problem with what Hahn said. Worse mistake we can make is act in a panic mode. We have good players with proven track records who just haven't met expectations. Doesn't mean they won't. Hate to be in a rebuilding mode every year because we aren't undefeated

Edited June 18, 201510 yr by elrockinMT

We hear how the White Sox are so behind in the times, but yelling and screaming and embarrassing guys as a way to get them to perform better seems to be as archaic as anything. I know we with our pitchforks would love that, but in real life is there anyone here that really wouldn't mind their boss throwing them under a bus, ranting and raving and telling everyone who would listen how badly they screwed up? Does anyone here really think that would make them a better employee?

 

Excellent point made. Ranting and raving is not leadership

Edited June 18, 201510 yr by elrockinMT

I don't have any problem with what Hahn said. Worse mistake we can make is act in a panic mode. We have good players with proven track records who just haven't met expectations. Doesn't mean they won't. Hate to be in a rebuilding mode every year because we aren't undefeated

 

again a voice of reason.

 

very nice

I don't have any problem with what Hahn said. Worst mistake we can make is act in a panic mode. We have good players with proven track records who just haven't met expectations. Doesn't mean they won't. Hate to be in a rebuilding mode every year because we aren't undefeated

 

They don't have to panic, but they need to deal with the realization that what they're trying to do isn't working and it's time to try something different.

 

This season is toast, the future doesn't look good with this roster or coaching staff, and the farm system isn't all that special.

 

Time for serious changes, but if it doesn't fully happen until October or November, I guess we can wait.

Edited June 18, 201510 yr by flavum

that is funny, someone on soxtalk is obsessed with that idea,.

 

 

I'm not obsessed with that idea, man. My point was that Conor Gillaspie blows and I stand by that.

I'm not obsessed with that idea, man. My point was that Conor Gillaspie blows and I stand by that.

 

but your still ranting on, and on and on and on. about it,.

 

 

I don't have any problem with what Hahn said. Worse mistake we can make is act in a panic mode. We have good players with proven track records who just haven't met expectations. Doesn't mean they won't. Hate to be in a rebuilding mode every year because we aren't undefeated

I agree about the panic mode. Some fans want to blow it up but that would mean selling low on a lot of guys. I don't want another Nick Swisher scenario. You have to hope that some guys rebound before you trade them, though that ship unfortunately might have sailed already with Alexei.

I think Trace Thompson would do the same thing. Johnson is intriquing, but I would give it a couple more starts in AAA. Guerra is up, and I am sure will get more innings when his performances warrants them.

 

I don' t think you call up Johnson until you actually move a SP. The trade deadline is coming and the hope should be Shark and Danks have a decent 3-4 weeks and someone takes them. Sitting Danks now only ensures no one will want him in July.

 

I agree about the panic mode. Some fans want to blow it up but that would mean selling low on a lot of guys. I don't want another Nick Swisher scenario. You have to hope that some guys rebound before you trade them, though that ship unfortunately might have sailed already with Alexei.

Who would we actually be selling low on that might rebound? Duke? The guys I'd try like crazy to move include LaRoche and Robertson. Duke's been terrible the last month so dumping him for nothing seems questionable. Other than that...Quintana and Sale are guys at pretty darn high value so we're not selling low on them.

 

Alexei and Samardzija are guys who we'd be "selling low" on but both of them are likely to be unrestricted FAs at the end of the season so moving them becomes much more of a priority (unless Samardzija continues to be this bad where we can't get anything at all for him and you're ok with waiting until 2020 to get a return on Samardzija's draft pick, assuming he declines the QO).

"We want to invest in a full rebuild..."

 

"No, we can't do that because the players we bring up suck (and will be worse than our current players), our minor league preparation sucks, we can't do anything but identify pitchers and Cubans in the first place."

 

"Guess we have to keep investing in aging and expensive free agents and wait for their contracts to become albatrosses...to the point where we have to sell them off for 50 cents on the dollar."

 

"Hmmm...."

 

"Well, we've got Sale, Quintana, Rodon, Abreu, Robertson, Eaton, Garcia, Fulmer...how can you possibly blow up that core when you've got two superstars and possibly another along with two future All-Stars???"

 

"Must be something missing from the equation. Gee, what could it be?"

 

"Let's just ride things out with Flowers, Alexei, Danks, Sanchez, Cabrera....they can't be THIS bad forever. Look at the back of their baseball cards, those numbers mean something."

 

"Look at our winning percentage and attendance since our annual second half collapse in 2010. That means something as well."

 

Crickets.

 

Cue soundtrack to "The Wheels on the Bus Go Round and Round"

Edited June 18, 201510 yr by caulfield12