July 9, 201510 yr There is beating a dead horse, and there is bringing up the Buehrle/Danks situation. Pretty much every GM makes the same move at the time. Plus Buehrle alone doesn't suddenly make us contenders the last two years.
July 9, 201510 yr Very very sad and disappointing. Out of Buehrle's own mouth he WOULD HAVE taken the midseason extension offer. So sad the White Sox let one of their all-time greats go without a midseason offer. He'd have been SO worth the money! And it would have been bargain prices. Typical White Sox. Acquire stiffs like Dunn and LaRoche and Melky and not pay a Mark Buehrle.
July 9, 201510 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 01:57 PM) Welcome to 4 years ago. The Sox heard the Marlins offer, and told him they couldn't offer him anywhere close to that money. This has been known since it happened. Pretty much exactly how it went down. His agent said, ok bye.
July 9, 201510 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 06:48 PM) Very very sad and disappointing. Out of Buehrle's own mouth he WOULD HAVE taken the midseason extension offer. So sad the White Sox let one of their all-time greats go without a midseason offer. He'd have been SO worth the money! And it would have been bargain prices. Typical White Sox. Acquire stiffs like Dunn and LaRoche and Melky and not pay a Mark Buehrle. Yeah, maybe he should have told his agent that, because thats not how it went down at all. In fact the Sox could have lowballed him and put that in the press to make him look bad, but they didnt.
July 9, 201510 yr QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 08:35 PM) If Mark was really willing to take 3/$30, then add that to the list of recent awful decisions made by the Sox front office. I thought Mark was looking for the big payday, so the Sox didn't offer it knowing they would get overbid by other teams. I love how Mark set the record straight telling the Trib writer that, uh, the Sox never made a midseason offer and he'd have taken a 3 year extension in a heartbeat. KW should be fired NOW for this blunder. QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 08:36 PM) It was time for Buerhls to move on when he did. That's the cliche I've been hearing. Why is this considered fact? Why was it time for him to move on? The guy has been awesome since leaving. He's earned his money. So many Sox have been busts and wasted money.
July 10, 201510 yr After the season the Sox have had so far isn't there enough to b**** about already? What's the point of whining about something that went down 4 years ago? Here's the severely back loaded contract Buehrle signed. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts I'm glad the Sox did not try to match that. Another thing is why, after 4 years, is Buehrle bringing this up now?
July 10, 201510 yr Signing Mark likely impedes our ability to get Abreu. Imagine where we would be now. It's a business, nothing more or less. It's not a disservice and he isn't hurt about it.
July 10, 201510 yr I don't buy it. Buehrle knew the kind of money he could get, and he went for it. Buehrle doesn't sign for that big of a discount. Just no way.
July 10, 201510 yr QUOTE (ron883 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 08:12 PM) I don't buy it. Buehrle knew the kind of money he could get, and he went for it. Buehrle doesn't sign for that big of a discount. Just no way. It wasn't Mark, it was his agent. The Sox literally said we can't match that and he bounced. No counter, nothing.
July 10, 201510 yr I'm not guessing here, the threads exist. Marks last comment was dumb as the Sox treated him right. His agent wanted his percentage and reputation.
July 10, 201510 yr QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 12:51 AM) Yeah, maybe he should have told his agent that, because thats not how it went down at all. In fact the Sox could have lowballed him and put that in the press to make him look bad, but they didnt. How do you know? Mark B just said how it went down. He never received an offer in midseason ... no offer! He would have stayed. QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 01:33 AM) After the season the Sox have had so far isn't there enough to b**** about already? What's the point of whining about something that went down 4 years ago? Here's the severely back loaded contract Buehrle signed. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts I'm glad the Sox did not try to match that. Another thing is why, after 4 years, is Buehrle bringing this up now? The Sox didn't have to match that. They could have signed him for much less he says. Buehrle is bringing this up now cause the Trib reprinted a fact that was wrong. He cleared it up. The Trib wrote he had no interest in a Sox offer of 10 mill a year; he pointed out, 'hey there was no f***ing offer.' QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 01:36 AM) The White Sox moved on. We all should too. I'm reacting to the latest news on this issue which came out this week. QUOTE (ron883 @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 02:12 AM) I don't buy it. Buehrle knew the kind of money he could get, and he went for it. Buehrle doesn't sign for that big of a discount. Just no way. The discount never would have been considered a discount. He wanted to stay in Chicago. I don't know why Mark is the one member of the Sox title team everybody disses. Everybody understood getting rid of him. Maybe it's cause he doesn't throw 100 mph. No, all he does is pitch mega innings every single year and should have been in Chicago the past couple years. For the Sox to not try to sign him during that season is really really bad. For people to not believe Mark would have taken 10 mill a year is insensitive to one of the Sox all time greats. I hope they sign him 10 mill a year for three years when he's free agent next time.
July 10, 201510 yr QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 10:07 PM) I'm not guessing here, the threads exist. Marks last comment was dumb as the Sox treated him right. His agent wanted his percentage and reputation. Seriously. This thread reeks of denial.
July 10, 201510 yr QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 03:31 AM) Seriously. This thread reeks of denial. Great post, southsider. That's what I was hoping I could say in my rebuttals but couldn't think of how to word it correctly. Denial! Southsider hit it out of the park. Edited July 10, 201510 yr by greg775
July 10, 201510 yr Greg. You can believe me or not. It's not a guess and it was a piece of insider info I posted back then. His agent brought the offer to the Sox, they couldn't match it and he left. His agent believed going to Ozzie would soften the blow. Anything other than that is lies. The Sox wanted him but also owed Mark to let him go to max money. And that's what he got. They could have trashed him on the lack of working with them on the way out but they didn't. They felt he wanted this money before he retired, because that's what his agent presented. Whatever Mark says now is whatever he was fed. The front office honestly had him in there once and it was very early on. The next time was after he signed. The Sox felt that they owed him too much to guilt him into a huge discount. And that's straight from the top. They love his family and this was the best for everyone. I believe this is one of the first nuggets I even brought here because I personally was depressed they couldn't get it done. I initially was told they made a much lower offer but I'm not even sure it made it to Mark.
July 10, 201510 yr QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 05:05 AM) Greg. You can believe me or not. It's not a guess and it was a piece of insider info I posted back then. His agent brought the offer to the Sox, they couldn't match it and he left. His agent believed going to Ozzie would soften the blow. Anything other than that is lies. The Sox wanted him but also owed Mark to let him go to max money. And that's what he got. They could have trashed him on the lack of working with them on the way out but they didn't. They felt he wanted this money before he retired, because that's what his agent presented. Whatever Mark says now is whatever he was fed. The front office honestly had him in there once and it was very early on. The next time was after he signed. The Sox felt that they owed him too much to guilt him into a huge discount. And that's straight from the top. They love his family and this was the best for everyone. I believe this is one of the first nuggets I even brought here because I personally was depressed they couldn't get it done. I initially was told they made a much lower offer but I'm not even sure it made it to Mark. OK. Thank you for the explanation. I believe you and will drop the matter. I do worship Mark, however.
July 10, 201510 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 11:08 PM) OK. Thank you for the explanation. I believe you and will drop the matter. I do worship Mark, however. I'm still salty. If Mark would have gotten out of his deer blind and come to Jerrys office we would have had him until he retired. Unfortunately his agent did a great job of getting him paid. The Sox didn't really do anything after that but say good luck. And with no counter that's how it ended. I still remember getting the early info after that happened and I was down for weeks. I love that guy, and his family. But I'm glad he got paid and the Sox did what they thought they needed to do.
July 10, 201510 yr remember or reminiscing on Mark B and his contract is nice. i had doubts on how many were talking on how it went down. now for me, i missed Mark B and he being the embodiment of the sox attitude, pretty much how Sale and Shark recently shown. that is my opinion. so what i am going to say is, if Mark B did sign, this team will, in my belief, have signed, Jose A, and drafted Sale. the whole reasoning will not be there. so for me, as much as Mark is a fav player, i enjoy the core of the team being Jose and Sale. i would love to see Mark come back and end his career as a sox.
July 10, 201510 yr QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 11:05 PM) Greg. You can believe me or not. It's not a guess and it was a piece of insider info I posted back then. His agent brought the offer to the Sox, they couldn't match it and he left. His agent believed going to Ozzie would soften the blow. Anything other than that is lies. The Sox wanted him but also owed Mark to let him go to max money. And that's what he got. They could have trashed him on the lack of working with them on the way out but they didn't. They felt he wanted this money before he retired, because that's what his agent presented. Whatever Mark says now is whatever he was fed. The front office honestly had him in there once and it was very early on. The next time was after he signed. The Sox felt that they owed him too much to guilt him into a huge discount. And that's straight from the top. They love his family and this was the best for everyone. I believe this is one of the first nuggets I even brought here because I personally was depressed they couldn't get it done. I initially was told they made a much lower offer but I'm not even sure it made it to Mark. Does Mark share agents with Brandon Saad?
July 10, 201510 yr QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 01:36 PM) Does Mark share agents with Brandon Saad? but Saad already has his 2 cups, now he can concertate on making money.
July 10, 201510 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 10:53 PM) Great post, southsider. That's what I was hoping I could say in my rebuttals but couldn't think of how to word it correctly. Denial! Southsider hit it out of the park. That wasn't a compliment for you. You are in complete denial of what the situation was surrounding Mark Buehrle's last year in Chicago and his subsequent departure for Miami. None of what you said reflects any sort of reality on the ground while this was going on. It is all revisionist history.
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