Bruce is a marginal upgrade from AVI IF both repeat their last 2 seasons.

Bruce hasn't had an OBP over .300 in the last 2 years. How much more of that kind of hitting do the Sox need?

 

Bruce is worth a middle reliever, I guess. But that's about it.

 

People constantly want to sell low and buy high, which is what dumping Avi would be.

 

Much rather the Saunders side of that deal anyway, if he were healthy.

I don't want Bruce, but exactly how would he be buying high?

 

It is pretty funny you would like Saunders in a post you complain about OBP considering his career OBP is .301.

 

I've come to the conclusion you like players based on salary. The lower the better. JR might have is eye on you.

Edited February 23, 201610 yr by Dick Allen

Isn't Saunders knee the reason the trade didn't work?

 

I read it was one of the TOR minor leaguers that had a health issue.

Isn't Saunders knee the reason the trade didn't work?

 

Source: Medical concerns in Bruce deal involved #BlueJays minor leaguer, not Saunders. Player presumably was going to CIN. Trade off for now

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/702130975304716288

I don't want Bruce, but exactly how would he be buying high?

 

It is pretty funny you would like Saunders in a post you complain about OBP considering his career OBP is .301.

 

I've come to the conclusion you like players based on salary. The lower the better. JR might have is eye on you.

2012 - .306

2013 - .323

2014- .341

2015 - injured

 

Notice the trend? Come on, even you can see it. And on an AL team that played in a pitchers' park (v. an NL bandbox) as well.

Young players do improve. And believe me, I know it goes against the conventional wisdom on here and in the Sox org. to suggest that. Love of decliners is a security blanket. "Don't blame us; we picked up a player who was good once. Who could have known he was out of gas? Not our fault."

So much easier than giving young players a chance and risking they fail. And bad veterans has been such a bountiful strategy.

Edited February 23, 201610 yr by GreenSox

2012 - .306

2013 - .323

2014- .341

2015 - injured

 

Notice the trend? Come on, even you can see it. And on an AL team that played in a pitchers' park (v. an NL bandbox) as well.

Young players do improve. And believe me, I know it goes against the conventional wisdom on here and in the Sox org. to suggest that. Love of decliners is a security blanket. "Don't blame us; we picked up a player who was good once. Who could have known he was out of gas? Not our fault."

So much easier than giving young players a chance and risking they fail. And bad veterans has been such a bountiful strategy.

So 1 year above average, and even that year he missed most of the 2nd half hurt. He has about 80 plate appearances the last year and and half. I noticed you didn't include last year's total because of the injury probably using sample size so it won't fit into your narrative. The Sox have given Avi a lot of ABs. How many more ABs do they need to give him before it would be OK with you they moved on? It's not only hitting. He has shown he cannot field or run the bases well.

versus what, Dick?

Bruce's OBPs of .281 and .291 the last 2 years playing in a NL bandbox? He hits like Chris Carter. I remember your response when I suggested the Sox pick him up ( at 1/6 of the salary and zero acquisition cost).

 

Yea, Saunders got hurt in 2014. He hit well before the injury and he hit well the month after the injury. But by all means, let 36 ABs in 2015 trump that.

 

Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan 8m8 minutes ago

 

Avisail Garcia, 24, on critics: "I don't pay attention to all that stuff. All I can do is prepare to be ready.' Trying more upright stance.

 

 

Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan 8m8 minutes ago

 

Avisail Garcia, 24, on critics: "I don't pay attention to all that stuff. All I can do is prepare to be ready.' Trying more upright stance.

 

More upright stance worked for Tulo who had a very crouched hunched stance his first season.

Edited February 23, 201610 yr by soxfan2014

versus what, Dick?

Bruce's OBPs of .281 and .291 the last 2 years playing in a NL bandbox? He hits like Chris Carter. I remember your response when I suggested the Sox pick him up ( at 1/6 of the salary and zero acquisition cost).

 

Yea, Saunders got hurt in 2014. He hit well before the injury and he hit well the month after the injury. But by all means, let 36 ABs in 2015 trump that.

You are basing his "improvement" on an injury plaqued year. Before his .341 OBP in half a season in 2014, his career high was .323. Bruce's career OBP is .319. You might also want to note that since half seasons show a lot, Jay Bruce had a .341 OBP at the All Star break last year.

 

Bruce isn't the answer, but neither is Michael Saunders. And it's not a White Sox thing to think Bruce is probably better than Saunders. The Blue Jays were going to make that trade.

Edited February 23, 201610 yr by Dick Allen

Could this affect Fowler to Baltimore? It could be the O's only want to go all-in if they can truly go...all-in. Maybe Gallardo's physical is holding up the Fowler contract offer to be officially made....

 

Roch Kubatko ‏@masnRoch 21m

21 minutes ago

Told there's "more work to do" on Gallardo physical. Diagnostic tests. So.....stay tuned #orioles

 

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Source: Questions have come up with Yovani Gallardo's physical with Baltimore. Status of deal is unclear. O's notorious medical sticklers.

Edited February 23, 201610 yr by Jose Paniagua

Could this affect Fowler to Baltimore? It could be the O's only want to go all-in if they can truly go...all-in. Maybe Gallardo's physical is holding up the Fowler contract offer to be officially made....

 

Roch Kubatko ‏@masnRoch 21m

21 minutes ago

Told there's "more work to do" on Gallardo physical. Diagnostic tests. So.....stay tuned #orioles

 

Jeff PassanVerified account

‏@JeffPassan

Source: Questions have come up with Yovani Gallardo's physical with Baltimore. Status of deal is unclear. O's notorious medical sticklers.

 

Lmao oh Baltimore.

Lmao oh Baltimore.

Yeah, who would have guessed it?

 

You can rip JR and the White Sox all you want, but Baltimore and their physicals....why would a free agent go there if he is offered anything similar anywhere else. At the very best you are getting something similar. But you are risking flunking the physical and therefore costing yourself money elsewhere. It has to be a worst case scenario destination at this point.

Could this affect Fowler to Baltimore? It could be the O's only want to go all-in if they can truly go...all-in. Maybe Gallardo's physical is holding up the Fowler contract offer to be officially made....

 

Roch Kubatko ‏@masnRoch 21m

21 minutes ago

Told there's "more work to do" on Gallardo physical. Diagnostic tests. So.....stay tuned #orioles

 

Jeff PassanVerified account

‏@JeffPassan

Source: Questions have come up with Yovani Gallardo's physical with Baltimore. Status of deal is unclear. O's notorious medical sticklers.

 

Angelo does it again. Nothing is ever done with Baltimore.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 5m5 minutes ago

Question for #Orioles is whether they would give up No. 14 pick for Gallardo if they fear he’s hurt. Fowler also would require loss of pick.

 

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 5m5 minutes ago

Sources: #Orioles concerned with Gallardo’s physical, as @jeffpassan said. Could try to restructure contract or back out entirely.

Why do players fall for this still?

Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 22s23 seconds ago

Remaining FA OFs: Fowler, D. Brown, DeJesus, Denorfia, Murphy, AJax, Stubbs, Byrd, Raburn, Rios, Sizemore, Venable, Victorino.

So the Sox pick would be back to #28 correct?

 

Unless you are just messing with the player, if there is something wrong enough with this physical to hold up the signing, why would you give up #14 for that opportunity?

Edited February 23, 201610 yr by Dick Allen

So the Sox pick would be back to #28 correct?

 

Unless you are just messing with the player, if there is something wrong enough with this physical to hold up the signing, why would you give up #14 for that opportunity?

 

Yes.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2016-mlb-draft-order/

Jesse SanchezVerified account ‏@JesseSanchezMLB 8m8 minutes ago

There were 25 clubs in attendance at showcase for Cuban players Yadiel Hernandez, Yanio Perez & Alejandro Rivero in Mexico City today.

Orioles are stealing Fowler for 3 years, approximately $35 million.

 

Makes me wonder how hard the Sox were actually trying to upgrade OF in the first place.

Orioles are stealing Fowler for 3 years, approximately $35 million.

 

Makes me wonder how hard the Sox were actually trying to upgrade OF in the first place.

 

Until he fails his physical...

That's a steal for Baltimore. Hahn better have a plan in place.

Until he fails his physical...

Very true.

 

I am extremely disappointed the Sox couldn't or wouldn't go to this level.

 

 

I still think they have another move they will make, but if they don't, and Avi fails, they deserve all the grief they are going to get.

 

 

 

Very true.

 

I am extremely disappointed the Sox couldn't or wouldn't go to this level.

 

 

I still think they have another move they will make, but if they don't, and Avi fails, they deserve all the grief they are going to get.

 

i am being prissy here, but that does not help when the chance to do something is gone. the window of opportunity is missed, again.

Very true.

 

I am extremely disappointed the Sox couldn't or wouldn't go to this level.

 

 

I still think they have another move they will make, but if they don't, and Avi fails, they deserve all the grief they are going to get.

 

I've said this in a few threads, but if they keep Avi and LaRoche as starters and the team tanks again, I see no reason for Hahn and Ventura to keep their jobs.