Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* Thread

[CrimsonWeltall]

The reasoning is that he saw it during one of their force connections.

 

Saw what? Early-childhood memories that Rey doesn't have?

[ptatc]

He also basically blew up the entire premise of the Jedi from everything we learned in the prequels and OT, about Jedi needing years of training to use and harness their force power, which is a pretty major shift in Star Wars culture.

 

It was touched on in Rogue One, but I also liked the theme that there is a grey area between good and bad. That is something the OT and prequels tried to be very clear about, the Rebels are good, the Empire is bad.

This is a major change that Disney wanted. A shift from philosophical based movies from Lucas (episodes 1,2,3 went too far that way) to action movies. Action sells better than the philosophy. Even at the end of this movie Yoda tells Luke that the force is changing when the Jedi library is destroyed.

[Kyyle23]

Saw what? Early-childhood memories that Rey doesn't have?

 

She had some memories, she remembered when they dropped her off and their ship left. Maybe there were some blocked memories he saw

 

I dunno it’s all strange. They are leaving it out there for people to think about

[Kyyle23]

This is a major change that Disney wanted. A shift from philosophical based movies from Lucas (episodes 1,2,3 went too far that way) to action movies. Action sells better than the philosophy. Even at the end of this movie Yoda tells Luke that the force is changing when the Jedi library is destroyed.

 

I disagree with you that 1,2,3 were more philosophical than action

[whitesoxfan99]

I disagree with you that 1,2,3 were more philosophical than action

 

I'd agree other than Lucas shoehorning in "politics". Also, the Jedi library books weren't burned along with the tree. Rey pretty clearly stole those.

[RockRaines]

So,I saw it last night. Seemed a bit cheesy and very CGI focused compared to the last two. Overall pretty good, just didnt need all the comedy and cheese.

[RockRaines]

Oh lord. Rey went from "inexplicably powerful Force user with a connection to Obi-Wan Kenobi and Luke's lightsaber" to "Her parents were space meth heads and she's a Mary Sue."

Pretty confident that was a lie.

[bmags]

The reasoning is that he saw it during one of their force connections.

 

I don't believe it, though, and I think it gets revealed in #9 that she actually has a significant lineage.

 

Right. One thought I had is Snoke could have planted that vision, making Kylo Ren less "attached" to Rey and more able to kill her if needed. He had struggled to kill family before.

 

That was actually one of the better choices I thought Rian Johnson made because it did lead to intrigue.

 

They really just need to tighten up the scripts. And for the love of god cut ties with that awful character from the cantina in TFA. As bad as the casino was, the cantina scene was still worse. I think the casino at least tried to tell a story of the normal people of the galaxy, a response I think to another planet being blown up without any "human" cost.

[Balta1701]

Pretty confident that was a lie.

I think it would flat out suck as writing to say that, so blatantly, after teasing the question the entire first movie, and then have that turn out to be a lie with no specific hints whatsoever that it was a lie. That would really offer a convincing case for the director of 8 being on a different page from 7 of 9.

[RockRaines]

I think it would flat out suck as writing to say that, so blatantly, after teasing the question the entire first movie, and then have that turn out to be a lie with no specific hints whatsoever that it was a lie. That would really offer a convincing case for the director of 8 being on a different page from 7 of 9.

I know Snoke was involved in connecting Kylo and Rey, but fairly certain they are related.

[RockRaines]

And Lea shoudl have died in space. Having her "fly" back was garbage. A movie with most of the rebel force dying should have been darker, and more hopeless than what was presented.

[Balta1701]

Even then we don't get a ton of backstory other than his rise to power and a little bit of exposition about him usurping power from his Sith master.

 

 

Right. I think that’s one area where fans have gotten really unrealistic the last few years, because the franchise has been around for so long, SO much has been written about the original characters, anyone new introduced people expect an entire foundation built around them. It just isn’t that realistic.

So, the lack of a Snoke backstory is still bothering me more than you folks allowed here. The entire rest of this movie was built around tying up the loose ends from TFA. Rey's parents, what happened between Luke and Ben, they went through and in detail covered these items except for the fact that they left a powerful and well trained force user coming from a background of the "knights of ren" with no backstory. I feel like that did weaken the storytelling and the interest in him - he became almost a Maguffin, a toy to drive the plot forwards without doing much. You didn't even feel like his death affected the plotline that much - Kylo Ren immediately screamed "I am the Supreme Leader" and everyone accepted it.

[bmags]

And Lea shoudl have died in space. Having her "fly" back was garbage. A movie with most of the rebel force dying should have been darker, and more hopeless than what was presented.

 

Agreed. at this point, their hope is a coup right? Like, you can't tell me the next movie there is a rebel army still fighting. You have to be like "Rey was training and working on the art of persuasion to get Kylo Ren to turn over his empire back to democracy"

[Balta1701]

And Lea shoudl have died in space. Having her "fly" back was garbage. A movie with most of the rebel force dying should have been darker, and more hopeless than what was presented.

I feel like in the end this scene will go down along with the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" from Ep 3 as one of the worst moments on film from Star Wars.

[Balta1701]

Overall, I kinda am glad I waited 2 days before commenting on this after seeing it because they really do beat the living daylights out of you with the action in this film. It really doesn't let up, you walk out of the theater feeling like you need to catch your breath. Most of it felt somewhat germane to the film, but you definitely don't get a payoff for Finn being in this movie at all and that's the one where the action does start to feel excessive and contrived.

 

I think my favorite parts were clearly anything involving Skywalker. He remained such a rich, emotional character, even the scene where Ren turned against him where it could have come off as silly he pulled off.

 

It's not a revelation in filmmaking of any sort, but it's not a bad action film. It had some moments of heart, but I think there was a little too much shoved in.

[RockRaines]

Agreed. at this point, their hope is a coup right? Like, you can't tell me the next movie there is a rebel army still fighting. You have to be like "Rey was training and working on the art of persuasion to get Kylo Ren to turn over his empire back to democracy"

I expected the rebellion to go underground and try to build itself up with some "faction" of the first order that wants to flip. I dont know. There was too much sunshine considering the entire rebellion was just ousted.

[ptatc]

I'd agree other than Lucas shoehorning in "politics". Also, the Jedi library books weren't burned along with the tree. Rey pretty clearly stole those.

Did she? I don't remember that. I'll have to pay attention when I go again.

[Balta1701]

Did she? I don't remember that. I'll have to pay attention when I go again.

They're in a drawer in the Falcon at the end.

[ptatc]

I disagree with you that 1,2,3 were more philosophical than action

Maybe I should have added compared to 7 and 8.

 

To me they had a very different feel.

[Balta1701]

Maybe I should have added compared to 7 and 8.

 

To me they had a very different feel.

I think you're referring to Lucas trying to write dialog that seemed over the top and philosophical between Anakin and Padme when it just came off as garbage. We didn't have to deal with that in this one at least.

[TaylorStSox]

Rogue One seems even better in retrospect. They should have kept the main characters to Jin, Cassian, Chirut and K2SO, but at least it had a coherent story and consistent tone. Edwards had a clear vision and stuck to it.

 

Oh, and the comic relief actually worked and didn't ruin the immersion.

Edited December 18, 2017 by TaylorStSox

[RockRaines]

I think you're referring to Lucas trying to write dialog that seemed over the top and philosophical between Anakin and Padme when it just came off as garbage. We didn't have to deal with that in this one at least.

Part of what I hate about those movies is he is the worst actor of all time.

[Balta1701]

Part of what I hate about those movies is he is the worst actor of all time.

I don't think Rami Malek could have delivered most of those romance lines well.

[TaylorStSox]

Part of what I hate about those movies is he is the worst actor of all time.

Portman is a good actress and she was even worse. That's what happens when you're being directed by a guy with no direction.

[TaylorStSox]

Everyone should re-watch the first 10 minutes of TFA and the first 10 minutes of TLJ. In TFA the First Order was ruthless and menacing. Poe made a quip that worked. Kyle Ren displayed his power by stopping the blaster shot with the f***ing force.

 

On the other hand, TJL ruined the immersion with the dumbass exchange. It made the first order look totally inept. I knew right from that first scene that "this wasn't going to go as I expected."