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Fair. I would like to see the Kelenic’s and Pereira’s of the world at least earn a roster spot in spring training though. It shouldn’t just be handed to them.
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MLBTR Offseason Outlook on White Sox
Chicago White Sox replied to WestEddy's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I’d rather give those at-bats to Periera. Former top 100 prospect with multiple plus tools coming of a 128 wRC+ season in AAA and who has only had 176 major league plate appearances to date. Much better use of playing time IMO and right now I’d much rather him get the at-bats than Kelenic. -
Well I’m not in favor of giving up assets for him, but I saw a tweet where Nightengale said the Phillies will have to eat basically the entire contract just to get rid of him. If the Sox give up nothing and take him on for 1 year/$2 or $3 million, I wouldn’t hate it.
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White Sox sign Jarred Kelenic, non-roster invite
CWSpalehoseCWS replied to Sleepy Harold's topic in Pale Hose Talk
He has, and that's what I'm trying to get at - if Benny sees increased time at DH, that automatically gives both Teel/Quero less time together in the same lineup. -
Giving up assets for Castellanos is the exact opposite of what this franchise should be doing.
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White Sox sign Jarred Kelenic, non-roster invite
Chicago White Sox replied to Sleepy Harold's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I see no way that Teel & Quero get significantly less playing time than they did last year. Combined they had 973 PA’s across AAA and the minors. The White Sox only had 654 PA’s from their catchers combined like year. If you’re keeping both, you have to find a way to get them another 300+ PA’s and that means both playing at the same time about half the time. My guess is Benintendi splits time between DH and LF in hopes of less outfield usage keeping him healthier and making him less bad out there. That would probably open up enough at-bats for Teel & Quero at DH. But again, they both have to be in the lineup or else we are just wasting them. -
White Sox sign Jarred Kelenic, non-roster invite
CWSpalehoseCWS replied to Sleepy Harold's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I'd play both, but I don't think it's a slam dunk will see both in the lineup on a regular basis. If they think that freeing up the third catcher spot to another position player makes more sense for their roster flexibility, I think they will do so. I think that's also why we've heard so many rumors about them shopping Quero - because they realize the excessive value they have behind the plate, and wanted to see if they could pivot that value to another position of need instead of possibly wasting it on the bench. -
Probably the better option, I’m just bored and want them to do something.
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Ewww. He can’t play defense and his hitting is getting just as bad.
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White Sox sign Jarred Kelenic, non-roster invite
Bob Sacamano replied to Sleepy Harold's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Hasn’t Getz said Benni is going to DH more? It sure seems like it’ll be 2 catchers. I don’t like that idea but yeah, it would probably be a platoon with Quero getting some ABs against righties (it would be unavoidable with days games after night games and more righties). -
I’d rather play Kelenic and Baldwin for those few weeks/month
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Placeholder in RF until Montgomery is ready
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White Sox sign Jarred Kelenic, non-roster invite
Chicago White Sox replied to Sleepy Harold's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Just to be clear, you think the Sox are going with a straight catcher platoon and won’t regularly have Teel & Quero in the lineup at the same time? -
MLBTR Offseason Outlook on White Sox
Chicago White Sox replied to WestEddy's topic in Pale Hose Talk
For what purpose? -
White Sox sign Jarred Kelenic, non-roster invite
CWSpalehoseCWS replied to Sleepy Harold's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I think that's we differ - I don't really see Benny being the everyday LF. He just seems too broken and frankly too atrocious out there. I would assume it's increasingly likely we don't see Teel and Q both playing at the same time like we did at the end of last season. Venable doesn't seem to like having both of them in the lineup, and Romo (+ his option flexibility) really makes Lee expendable now. If we assume that ends up being the case, then they won't be carrying three catchers, and you gain another bench spot. You can get a lot of playing time for all those guys you mentioned if you have a rotating DH spot. I don't think this is that crazy to see as an opening day setup: LF - Baldwin/Kelenic/Periera CF - Robert RF - Kelenic/Periera (this works as a platoon) DH - Benintendi BN - Hill (defensive replacement and pinch runner in late in close games + Robert's eventual replacement when he inevitably gets hurt again) - Yesterday
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I’m talking myself into Nick Castellanos if the Phillies eat most or all of his contract.
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MLBTR Offseason Outlook on White Sox
Chicago White Sox replied to WestEddy's topic in Pale Hose Talk
I’m not sure what stats you are looking at, but Mead has been a +.200 ISO guy for almost the entirety of his minor league career despite being well below league average in terms of age. He is a two time Baseball America top 100 prospect who has always been considered to have above average raw power. As a 21 year old in AA & AAA he was on pace for ~20 HRs if he would have had 500 PA’s. These takes on Mead are just flat out wrong. Yes, he has sucked in ~500 major league PA’s across parts of three seasons with a 77 wRC+ to date, but guess what? Young players can get better with reps & time. Imagine having this same conversation a year ago about Sosa when he had a 66 wRC+ in 578 PA’s across three seasons. And Sosa was never half the prospect that Mead was. I’m not guaranteeing a turnaround here by any means, but these are the types of guys you buy low and sell high on and if you like Mead (whom the Sox went out and acquired) there is some logic to the set of moves in question. -
The Future of the White Sox TV Broadcast Team
Lip Man 1 replied to palehose1's topic in Pale Hose Talk
He's also owned some very successful restaurants from what I understand. I think in the Phoenix area if I remember right. -
I understand what Benetti asked for and why the Sox were not in agreement. Benetti just became too valuable of a commodity to restrict his work to one team. Good for him. Schriff is a relative youngster in his profession. I give him a lot of credit for trying to fill the shoes of Benetti, one of the best in the country who built a local following here in his home town.
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If there was one substantive aspect at which Mead was decent, much less excelled, I could see it. But Mead has no power, Ks too much, doesn't walk; and while he's probably a better defender than Sosa, he's still a below par defender. In the minors, his batting average kept him afloat. He just doesn't make enough contact for that to carry to the majors though. Sosa hit 22 homers last season; nothing in Mead's background suggests he can come close to that. If someone wants to give us a nice return for Sosa, then fine; but expecting Mead to do anything is a real prayer. As of now, I like the "have Sosa shag balls in left" idea.
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Because you are using a rate instead of actual production? It is an argument over back of the roster players with zero value. If you need to win on Mead, have at it. I will be here hopefully for actual decent players.
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Benintendi is always the problem, haha. Maybe you could get playing time for both Sosa and Mead at LF and DH if Benintendi was not here. But then again, Benintendi could also outperform both guys. Quite the conundrum. So maybe a trade makes sense even more due to the roster crunch, even with the risk involved. Benintendi isn’t going anywhere.
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MLBTR Offseason Outlook on White Sox
Chicago White Sox replied to WestEddy's topic in Pale Hose Talk
It’s wild you can’t admit you were wrong on this one point and continue to deflect and move the goalposts. -
MLBTR Offseason Outlook on White Sox
Chicago White Sox replied to WestEddy's topic in Pale Hose Talk
100% it only makes sense if there is both a return you like for Sosa and you think there are some ways to fix Mead. But right now, Sosa is not going to get a ton of playing time (baring injury) and unlikely to maintain his value unless you find a way to get him more at-bats (and all for the OF idea, but not convinced yet the Sox are considering it).
