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Yeah I meant to add that. Paying a good amount of money for a waste of a spot.

For me it is more the money than the roster spot.

Yep, waste of a roster spot.

I wouldn't have a problem with someone wondering out loud about giving up a top level trade return for either one of those guys too.

Definitely. He takes up a rotation spot and money we would have rather seen go to a younger and better starter. I don’t see the Sox acquiring more than one starter right now as a result.

I mean, a fundamental part of someone being a one year wonder is what happens after the standout year, so I’m not sure how fair that is. Otherwise, Vargas and Jordan Walker are also one year wonders by that definition. At any rate, not a hill I care to die on. Seems like most of us are in agreement that it’s likely too high a price to pay for a very talented pitcher who is far from a sure thing.

I keep feeling like the Castillo block around our ankles is going to hold down spending more than anyone has been willing to admit outloud. This doesn't help.

Yeah I think the dream of adding 2 SP is gone. Get one TOR arm at least

First off, he's crazy. Second, calling him a one year wonder is factually accurate as of today. He also never states that going forward he will revert absolutely, if you are looking for facts, not discussion.

You’re quoting different posters…? I’m quoting the one saying it factually in response to you saying no one was saying it factually.

Sounds about like another Todd Ritchie trade...although Detmers has more promise, the odds of remaining him long-term under JR are slim and none unless there really is a salary floor instituted.

You quoted him, and left this out? Come on man.

Sounds very theoretical.

I kinda hate this. Feels like a cost cutting move to avoid having to make a big move for a SP. Not to mention I’m just not sure Taylor has the feel for pitching beyond being able to overpower hitters. Taylor and Hagen have the making of a dominant L/R backend of bullpen that can shorten the game to 7 innings. Keep that strength AND improve the rotation

Caleb just set a record for fewest interceptions over a period of time. Dude had one bad game. I know the sharks circle hoping, but this is no where near the same.

Jenks came from the Angels, fwiw. But a ton of really good and cheaper relievers came from other places...and had lower acquisition costs. Marte Crain Foulke Howry Santos Thornton to name just a few. The times they got in trouble were buying FAs like Linebrink/Dotel (overreaction to 2007 struggles) and Kimbrel/Graveman/Kelly. Robertson they bought at peak value and was just a tier below elite...Hendriks was good until hit by both injuries/illness.

He under went surgery in mid march, so my expectation would be more like Jun to Aug, but I do believe he was already throwing at season end, so that is usually the big step.

No one said it was 100%. The theory was even statistically backed up.

He's just one of many bullpen options. Sox have had too many FA/Trade overpays for relievers over the years like Seranthony, Kimbrel, Graveman, etc for me to be enthusiastic about grabbing a "closer." The best relievers the Sox have had have mostly been homegrown guys like Thigpen, Roberto Hernandez, Bobby Jenks, Nate Jones, Aaron Bummer, and guys who eventually became starters like Hoyt, Sale, Crochet, and now hopefully Taylor. I guess Liam Hendricks was mostly good as a counter example. I just don't think prioritizing the role makes sense. Prioritize the stuff.

Wentz first like 10 pass attempts looked like a guy who just learned how to throw a football. It’s crazy how good he was in that first half of a season in Philly and how that has pretty much gotten him jobs for up until now

The most I would be willing to pay is Carlson, Schultz and Quero if they want him back and want a possible long-term guy behind the plate. But those first 2 names would be selling low, especially if you think Carlson eventually hit. Not trading Bonemer.

Oh I definitely agree with both of these. It’s too risky of a trade for me. But declaring that he is without a doubt a fluke is just kind of lazy and serves no purpose imo. As a baseball fan, I hope he’s figured it out. The sport is more fun when there’s more good players.

Is Vasil even going to be ready by opening day? Based on the timelines of the guys who had TJ surgery a year prior, I doubt it.

He had 4 interceptions. It was very ugly. Not Wentz ugly, though.

I simply don't believe in paying for a "closer." See "Dominguez, Seranthony." Get as many good arms as possible and let the staff sort through the roles. Maybe Hagen closes. Or McDougal. Or possibly Shane Smith snaps back. Or Vasil. Or Pierce George. A lot of guys with good arms already in the system. Or you could convert a third tier starter to relief. I mean, Fedde looked great in relief. I'd rather have them throw resources at the bullpen depth (possibly bring back Newcomb?) and rotation than overpay for a "closer."