wrathofhahn

I think I saw him retire mid-game during the Yankees series

Didn't dive for the ball and lolly gags the throw to the infield. They literally dont care

Absolutely, I agree. The problem is that they have consistently traded guys when their value was at its lowest trading and failed to sell high on them. I have no faith in this FO to move Robert at the right time because, as I stated at the time when we moved Cease, it was foolish to trade Cease and keep Roberts, and it's even more clear now. So what are we left with? We don't even have a top ten farm at the moment because of the call-ups, and we still are god-awful with two catchers up one being forced to DH because we don't even target trades properly. We have already traded those players when their value was at its lowest, so we don't have any assets that other teams are willing to part with good assets for. All of the guys we target in FA are either soft-tossing scrubs pitcher who will never be useful in the future, and none of the potentially good rebound pillow candidates guys want to come here. We don't trade for buy-low toolsy change-of-scenery guys; we call up 4A guys who were never top prospects and just waste seasons giving roster spots to future waiver claims. As a result, I genuinely have less faith in this FO than in Hahn. Hahn and KW made mistakes and deserved to be fired; it's a results business, but at least you saw their vision, even though their plan clearly didn't work out. There is nothing the Sox are doing that leads me to believe they are going to be successful at any point in the near future, and I am not just talking about this year or even next year. Football season can't start soon enough

People use Reddit as an echo chamber to get other people to agree with them, and it is nearly always closed to those who might disagree. The awful upvoting system only makes the hive mentality of those who post there stronger. Personally, I think that is the problem with social media in general; it's a place where miserable people seek affirmation rather than actually engaging in worthwhile discussions. I personally avoid social media completely, and I urge everyone to follow suit. Talk to real people and get outside and touch the grass. You'll lead a much fuller and richer life.

People are terrible; this isn't news, whether it's someone acting hatefully or just to get attention. Who the f cares? That person is garbage.

His window wasn't that much different than Cease's. Therefore, if one were to assume any kind of rational thought process on the part of Getz, the window would have been near the backend of his contract, which is incredibly stupid because whatever value you would extract at that point should be much less than a trade where you aren't wasting 3 or more years of surplus value on bad teams. Also, as I mentioned earlier, it is not only about windows; it is also about the player's worth at the time of the trade. Cease value was at an all-time low. Robert was at an all-time high. It is just stupid asset management. Which has been Getz MO since he's been hired. He trades guys when their value is at their lowest. People kill Hahn and he deserved to be fired but he actually did a good job trading guys and maximizing their returns. Getz has just been god awful and it isn't just Cease or Roberts. It's Kopech. Crochet is a guy we also gambled on and took a massive loss on. He'd be worth more at the deadline then when we moved him. Then you look at what we have gotten in return and they have been absolute disasters for the most part.

As far as Roberts goes the only play at this point is to hold onto him and hope he bounces back. If he doesn't then you lose him for nothing but trading for a 4A guy doesn't help the club. We should be looking at getting bounce back guys who can appreciate in value not trading them away. We are not getting anything of value for Roberts until he leaves his slump if he does than the option isn't bad value if he doesn't what do you think a sub .600 OPS hitter making 15M is worth? Nothing anyways so lets the season play out and tell him his option isn't going to be picked up or he won't be traded unless he improves. If he isn't motivated headed into FA then he never will be.

I blame Jerry for hiring Getz; he is clearly over his head and has no idea what he is doing. There is no plan. His trades have been abysmal. His FA signings have been terrible. Also, while it's hard to evaluate his drafts this early, he has been trading for prospects; these are players he and his scouting staff have identified. Why would anyone think his drafting of prospects would be any better than his trading for prospects? This team is hopeless, let's face it. I don't want to be a doomer, but I am just fed up. Anyone who is selling people on this being a process, explain that process to me, and don't say tanking for picks, because sucking isn't a process; it's a result. That is why poorly run bad teams in MLB rarely turn themselves around in the draft this is a team sport. One player or the first overall pick doesn't change the fortunes of a club you need a deep team to win in baseball. The angels had both Trout and Ohtani but still sucked for years. That is why in baseball you need a plan and you need a wave of prospects to pretty much all arrive at the same time to be competitive.

At the time, it was painfully obvious to many of us. We retained the player who had just finished a career year after trading the one who had just finished a poor season. It was so damned stupid. It's challenging to support this team because being terrible is one thing, but being terrible and making poor decisions at the same time is quite another. As fans, we search for reasons to support teams, sometimes because we believe they will succeed in the future and other times because they are talented enough to take home a championship. We don't have either, and it absolutely kills any White Sox fandom I may have. I moved out from Chicago. I have to pay not only with my time but also with money to watch the White Sox. When I visit family, I have to set aside time to go to a Sox game. None of that is happening unless things change for me. So yeah, for me it isn't even like I am looking back angrily at the decision; it is just another reason to have zero faith in this group. Sometimes, even if you make the right choice, things won't work out. Prospects are going to fail. Heck, even calculated gambles trading Garrett Crochet early can still end up being wrong in the MLB when you look at how successful moderate payroll teams are built you need to not only make good decisions but also a certain amount of luck to be good. The team simply doesn't have the margin of error to keep making dumb decisions because of the budget they have. They need to be smarter than the large market teams to win and have a certain amount of good luck. In many ways we are already lucky due to the division we play in there are no Dodgers or the Yankees who are just going to lap everyone with their spending. The other problem is the Sox make trades for players without any kind of overall strategy or plan, as you can see when you look at the current rebuild. While some prospects have a three-year timeline, others are currently in the major leagues or ready to be called up. In order to have a cheap core to build around, the Sox need a large number of prospects to arrive at the same time if they hope to have a window of three to five years. To me, they seem to be completely clueless about what they are doing. So why waste time rooting for this garbage? I'd rather watch the Bears

RIP. Gone way too young

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mlb/red-soxs-liam-hendriks-sounds-alarm/ “At some point, something’s got to break, and it better not be any of the guys that are receiving this stuff,” he added. “With the rise of sports gambling, it’s gotten a lot worse,” Hendriks further explained. In 11 innings pitched this season, Hendriks has accumulated a 5.56 ERA, 11 strikeouts, and a 1.41 WHIP. “Whether it be Venmo requests, whether it be people telling you in their comments, ‘Hey, you blew my parlay. Go f— yourself’ kind of s—. And then it’s, ‘Go hang yourself. You should kill yourself. I wish you died from cancer.’ That one kind of hit a little too close to home for me with everything I’ve gone through.” “And so, at some point, someone has to make a stand. And it’s one of those things where the more eyes we get on it, the more voices we get talking about it; hopefully, it can push it in the right direction. We can get something pushed across.”

Just sayin not sure what does to a man shoulder nothing good would be my guess. I know what it felt like assembling a shed last year

He was a carpenter though.

I think we are so far away from this being a concern in fact my top concern is with the age of the guys we are getting back we are going to burn through their service time before we are able to draft enough talent to get to the ML. It probably will not matter much for the majority of these guys' service time if we use them to their full potential, but if I were constructing a roster, the simplest way to generate extra WAR would be to have a full-time, reliable all-around catcher and a catcher with a less reliable defense who can play 1B/DH and 60 odd or so games at catcher. Consider the Blue Jays and the extra production they were able to get from their two catchers. The average backup catcher is a major negative, hitting at a level that is nearly equal to a pitcher.

Yeah the O's keep making smart moves in the offseason signing Oneill and Sanchez.

The top two prospects in the deal are good. The other two aren't interesting to me. We should be targeting younger prospects other than 4A guys. I'd much rather of us gotten a guy like Zanetello and/or Conrad Cason usually it's the bottom half of the trade that ends up saving these deals when one of the top prospects flame out. Instead we got two guys in Chase Meidroth and Wikelman Gonzalez who are almost ready but don't profile to be everyday players. Meidroth has never hit for power at any level. He also according to scouts and doesn't have the arm strength or range to stick as SS.

Crochet is the current Sox that makes the most sense to move now. He has a history of arm issues and had a good year. Makes sense to move him now versus holding onto him and taking a chance he may get another arm injury. I hope we take the best offer.

Andrew Benintendi isn't good but I don't see why we should be looking to move him. He is going to cost assets to move and we aren't going to get anything back. You guys okay giving up a prospect to move him? I am not. We should be looking to take on salary for prospects not shed them for it.

That is the exception not the norm. And no another teams reclamation project is not another soft-tossing veteran. I am talking about going after hard throwing pitchers or failed top prospects who are in need of a change of scenery with a bit of control. We have to AB and IP to give them and showcase now is the time to do it. Not sign a bunch of washed up guys with no FV at all. We will see I guess.

The Sox are hopeless the time to trade him was last offseason when he had his best year. He is going to be worth a fraction of his actual value right now. We did the same thing with Cease traded him the offseason coming off a down year for scraps and watched him almost win a cy young. How about we hold onto Robert until he is playing well then move him. We can ask for top prospects all we want I take no solace in that because our track record is to give into the market after shopping a player and the market for a season Robert is coming off of is going to be nowhere near what it should be. Prove me wrong Getz

He was mediocre in 2023 too where he played 137 games and had an OPS+ of 91 2.1 WAR. They gave him the Eckstein treatment and vastly overpaid because he got hot in the playoffs. Which they can afford to do because they are the dodgers.

I don't expect this team to compete financially with the likes of the dodgers but we can't even get him to spend smartly on scouts, international free agents, and sign reclamation guys. Getz makes trades like we are the dodgers where it doesn't matter how high or low the current value of a player is if we decide to move him he's gone. It's just dumb and sad I have zero hope for this team right now

It's already a bad deal but the dodgers don't care because they print money faster than the feds Baseball wise he was .9 war player last year.

Look at what we got for Cease. Getz will give in and accept the best crappy offer; I am positive of it. That is what he does. To be honest, I do not think this organization will progress with the current approach they are using; they seem determined to make the rebuild as painful and drawn out as possible. If he was smart and the offers are trash make the deal at the deadline that is where you are going to get the best offers anyways not in the off-season because in the off-season fans and GM's all look at their rosters with rose color glasses. He won't. I also don't know why we aren't in on trading for reclimation projects this team is trash and the whole league knows it, so you aren't getting any reputable free agent to sign here without obscenely overpaying them. So why aren't we trading for guys either getting prospects back for teams in need of short-term salary relief or trading for guys who have fallen out of favor? Don't get it it. But it's whatever. The way Getz is running this rebuild it is going to be 5+ years. We aren't getting the kind of franchising altering prospects players in trades and we aren't getting anyone who could generate any surplus value and be valuable in trades. I fully expect him to sign a bunch of soft-tossing veterans for bloated deals and washed-position players who only signed here because they literally had no other option who wouldn't be worth anything, and that will be the big move of the off-season.

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