WestEddy

A competitive balance pick can only be traded once.

When somebody resorts to quoting attendance figures, and the hyperbole of "the Sox must do the thing I want, or the children will stop caring!!!" - it says to me you understand your own argument is so silly that you need a sideshow.

It's a measuring stick in as much as it's used to make facetious arguments. It measures nothing for me. When the Sox win, again, fans will come back. Maybe your kids won't. Oh well. Get new kids.

White Sox attendance doesn't affect my life except that it's an easier experience going to games when attendance is low.

You just had this entire convo with Chicago White Sox dude. You won't acknowledge any of his points as being close to valid, so why do it again? There are zero White Sox prospects who have established themselves in a role with the parent club. The fact that some players will get time on the ML squad isn't an automatic reason to start overpaying for tier B and C free agents.

Yes it is. COVID was still a thing in 2022.

What does that have to do with the "build from prospects" vs. "start with high priced FAs" debate?

It's weird that our fanbase became "undamaged" in 2022. LOL. Once the Sox start winning again, attendance will pick up.

You ignored the fact that the 90's teams started with a strong and deep core of home grown stars that the Sox added to. They also had a 2nd wave of prospects hit between 97 and 2001.

I sure hope you find the guy you're arguing with. I never said Benintendi was a good signing. But it was a signing.

Well the guy who was in charge for your 9 year window was also in charge for the next 4 years, and was the VP 11 seasons after that. KW had a core of cheap, home-grown players (Buehrle, Garland, Crede, Rowand, Thomas, Konerko, Lee, Ordonez), and he added to it. And this all springs from the original "core" they built through the minors of Thomas, Ventura, Durham, Guillen, McDowell, Fernandez, Alvarez, Bere, Konerko, One-Dog. They didn't start that by signing a bunch of over-priced, aging, B tier free agents.

He was in his walk year. I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make. I applaud you for being able to look at Benintendi's last two seasons, and coming to the conclusion that he wasn't a good baseball player in those two seasons. Welcome to reality.

That would suggest you don't understand that agreements are made years in advance of the actual signings. The White Sox will honor what Paddy has lined up already. The trade of international space to the Dodgers for Aldrin Batista and Maximo Martinez was a great use of signing space. I don't see the problem making more trades of that type while deals for 14 year olds are lined up to sign in future classes. It's almost like a person has fallen down the stairs a bunch of times, and when he says it's important to stop falling down the stairs, everybody else starts arguing with him because "history".

No, actually, it's like we did. Drafts were about first rounders who needed little polish before being promoted. International signings were about picking up fully developed professionals. There was little investment in development. Now we have a guy whose focus is on building up our minor league system. The Sox already have a top 5 system, mostly based on changes they've made to pitching development. If you would kill for the days of KW grabbing up Rob Mackowiak and Juan Pierre to fill holes, or rushing Gordon Beckham ahead of time, then you're not really arguing for a team with sustainable success. You're rooting for garbage roster churn. Can't wait for the next Adam Dunn to lead us to the "promised" land.

They would have to sign Bregman, Santander, Alonzo, Kim, Flaherty, one of the closers, and they might push up to 75 wins. Then these guys would start getting old, and the team would suck again for 10 years.

I don't get this dig. I didn't like the signing of Benintendi, and the Sox paid a premium to get him in house, the same premium many here say we should throw at any free agent just to prove Reinsdorf wants to "win". One WAR model thinks Benintendi has been putting out average production for most of his career, 17-22. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he has always sucked his entire life.

I'm not understanding. Are you saying the White Sox should forfeit as much international money as possible by signing the QO free agents that other teams have waited to the end of the off-season on? At some point, the White Sox have to get their international portion cooking.

B-R likes Benintendi more than Fangraphs. From 2017-2022, B-R had Benintendi as, roughly, a ML average player to 4.8 wins. I'm no fan of Benintendi or the signing, but he wasn't a dumpster dive when they signed him. It's great that you can now say he's not a good player. We all can.

Only if they sign somebody with a QO.

I know we act like mentioning Benintendi and Grandal is now a dunk, but Benintendi was coming off as productive a season with the Royals and Yanks as Santander is, now, and Benintendi was 2 years younger. Grandal was the stat-nerd darling for framing, and he hit.

Booser and Gilbert were moved off the 40-man, which means they went through waivers. Booser, to make room for the Red Sox' Patrick Sandoval free agent signing, and Gilbert, to accommodate Jesus Luzardo being put on the 40-man. If we didn't claim them, another team would have.

He'll be assigned to Winston-Salem. Somebody's got to run and get the baseballs when the prospects hit them.

A nice article looking at Tyler Gilbert's recent changes, and possible adjustments he could make going forward: https://www.theskippersview.com/p/is-tyler-gilbert-a-sneaky-good-acquisition?r=47gvws&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

No. I think that if the entire team goes nuts, Robert rebounds, Vaughn and Benny hit, guys develop and play like vets, you have a 63-65 win team. If you add Alonso and Santander to that, Maybe you get near 70 wins.