WestEddy

And they underperformed that by 27 wins. 17 wins would have them in the mid-60's, which would almost call for a parade.

Just for context, here's what Zips thought the Sox would do last year (2024): http://blogs.fangraphs.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/White-Sox-24.png https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2024-zips-projections-chicago-white-sox/

I thought Chris Getz was teaching players how NOT to play baseball, so he ruined every single prospect in our system. It's refreshing to hear somebody say that wasn't the case.

Preller had actual MLB action taken against him and the Padres over concealing health info. Vargas seems to be the guy (to me) that came here, and fell flat on his face because of extenuating circumstances. I like the notion of "we can't just keep a revolving door of hitting coaches" without looking at the organizational processes regarding the exchange of information between levels.

Nor does wanting "fans" to do a Q&A with Getz. Any question not punctuated with expletives and accusations of incompetence will be viewed as "softball".

And my stance is that we don't even really know that Getz was a "bad" GM. There were so many layers of failure before and after his part of the process that most of this discussion rests on people who were just mad Getz got hired in the first place.

Which is why I think all of the negative people should post their resumes for GM here. Then the rest of us could post video of us urinating ourselves laughing at "I played HS ball, and have a fantasy team. My secret for success would be 'sign all the best players', and win a lot!"

Why? Unless Getz winds up in the hospital, everybody will call it "softball questions".

It's the same general malaise that results from a long losing patch, which disappears when they start winning again.

And when addressing the "unlucky". They were so bad that veterans would run into stupid, game-ending plays. Vaughn getting called for interference on an infield fly rule during a 4-run 9th to lose. DeJong forgetting how many outs to get doubled off 1st to end a 1 run game. Jankowski grabbing Vaughn's game winning home run during a late season losing streak. I truly believe there was such profound mental fatigue from the losing, it just built on itself.

It would be surprising if none of the White Sox young starters break 2 WAR. Cannon and Davis Martin both looked like they could be shaky, but mostly solid. Thorpe, before the injury, too. Katz has his work cut out for him with that bullpen.

For some reason, in sports talk, skepticism is interpreted as smart, and enthusiasm is interpreted as dumb. People will pose as skeptical until a core of the two Montys, Smith, Schultz, Teel/Quero and others win their 2nd World Series (because the 1st will be deemed a "fluke" in skeptic parlance). As you said, Getz has overhauled or created many key departments, and processes for interaction between them. He has telegraphed a "type" of prospect he's targeting, focusing on OBP. A 60 win season will be treated as an abomination, an 81 win 2026 as underachieving, and an 86 win 2027 as a travesty of half measures. It's boring.

I think the Dodgers were not forthcoming about whatever injury/weakness/loss of strength Vargas was experiencing. I couple that with Getz just being spun around a little as a newbie doing his first TDL, and somehow wound up a player short. The team's going to be "not good", and he's still not blocking anybody, yet. This is a perfect opportunity to show off the rehabbed infrastructure by throwing a couple of coaches on the guy and turning him into a productive baseball player.

Rodon and Giolito were resolute on testing free agency. Cease has Boras for an agent, and I'd imagine he's going the same route.

Yeah, I just reread my posts, and don't see anywhere that I said the white flag trade was the major reason they won the World Series in 2005. So, I hope you find the guy who said that and set him straight. Trading Alvarez and Hernandez pulled the plug on the frustrating 97 season. Guillen and Davey Martinez were gone after that year, and Ventura and Belle gone after 98. That jump started the rebuild that would see Cameron traded for Konerko, and Ordonez, Lee and Singleton become the outfield.

He should. It would have foolish to keep him and build around him.

The Eloy and DeJong trades were fine. Santos brought a draft pick that brought Blake Larson.

Sure. But he came into 2024 with no bullpen, and had to build it from scratch. It was hit and miss. Mostly miss. But it's not like he was gifted a stellar bullpen that he wrecked. Guys got injured. Vets like Brebbia, Leone and Tim Hill suddenly forgot how to pitch.

I really dislike the concept of podcasts where guys have to tell "jokes" and then laugh nervously to simulate a fun group of guys atmosphere. Of course, people just talking probably doesn't hang onto listeners as well.

Why don't you ask somebody who drafts players and signs them. Is that the head of development?

If there was a rebuild, the team shouldn't have fallen apart? LOL. Do you even know what you're talking about? They didn't "fall apart after just one more season". That team had a down season in 2007, then won the Central again in 2008. You seem to think that "competing" means winning multiple championships in a row.

2 pitchers who should be in the 2025 rotation were in the system, developed, but injured at the beginning of 2024. Jonathan Cannon did step into the rotation and looked solid. Yeah, I guess it's bad Getz couldn't take a bunch of schlubs and turn them into a 100 win team overnight.

The funniest part is when you guys pretend that Getz was left with a 60+ win team. Coming out of the 2023 season, they had no pitching rotation. They had no bullpen. I'm not sure how you hear that anybody's "blaming" KW and Hahn for that. They were fired in August. I guess it's self-validating to pretend that you would have gone out there and forced the best players in the league to take less money to play for your team. LOL. Getz took over a husk of a 60 win team.

He's in "people who don't hate Getz must... always....be .....wrong about everything!!!!" mode. I'm not sure what he's even arguing. I suppose "fluffing" is next in the arsenal.