Crochet speaks...

[Lip Man 1]

Crochet now joins Lynn and Cease in commenting directly or indirectly on the White Sox organization:

From the Sun-Times:

“It felt like the big leagues, you know?” the former White Sox pitcher said of his introduction to life with the Red Sox.

By  Steve Greenberg

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/04/11/garrett-crochet-red-sox-boston-white-sox-chicago-fenway-park-mlb

 

  Apr 11, 2025, 7:07pm MDT

 

[Tony]

On 4/10/2025 at 7:18 PM, nrockway said:

He may be right, he just sounds like a spurned ex-girlfriend. Get over it, Lance. Some people have the mind to shut up about it when asked (Giolito). Don't hear Cease running his mouth either. It would be more meaningful if players who were still any good were talking.

 

On 4/10/2025 at 6:41 PM, nrockway said:

This guy is a buffoon. He acts like he wasn't part of the problem. Very funny when Stone made fun of his weight.

 

On 4/10/2025 at 7:10 PM, tray said:

It's really bush league for players to diss their former organization(s). I could never stand that fatazz in Chicago from day one. Fvk him.

Thoughts, gents? 

[nrockway]

it just seems petty and disrespectful. Fenway Sports Group is arguably as incompetent as JR (although Liverpool looks great), does Crochet know that?

 

he's saying a nice thing about the team that just made him one of the richest men to ever exist, but I don't know why they always have to talk trash.

[Tony]

13 minutes ago, nrockway said:

it just seems petty and disrespectful. Fenway Sports Group is arguably as incompetent as JR (although Liverpool looks great), does Crochet know that?

 

he's saying a nice thing about the team that just made him one of the richest men to ever exist, but I don't know why they always have to talk trash.

I find the White Sox record of 105-232 in their last 337 games much more disrespectful, but to each their own.

[nrockway]

3 hours ago, Tony said:

I find the White Sox record of 105-232 in their last 337 games much more disrespectful, but to each their own.

That isn't an applicable analogy because this doesn't really have anything to do with the White Sox. Any player could say this about any team and it would still look petty. It's very easy to just say nothing (again, like Giolito, a good guy and a clear leader. let me know when he says something, I might change my perspective. I think Gio has even better reason than the rest to talk trash, frankly). A normal person in Crochet's situation would either say nothing or simply be grateful that he was put in a position and given the tools to go out and "earn" 170 million dollars. Alongside his weird, unprecedented "demand" last season, it makes me think Crochet is kind of a dick. I guess a rich dick now. I still wish him the best and I hope he continues along a HOF trajectory, he's an incredible pitcher. I wish Lance the best too, I just think he's pwning himself and not the Sox and that he looks silly and if he was less of a dick some team would probably still be paying him to pitch. I think he torched his "veteran leader" reputation when he talked all that trash on his way out the door and probably a couple million dollars alongside.

Regarding what players think about the Sox generally, why I think Sox players specifically are making this noise -- you think these players don't see the same stuff we do and are influenced by it? how could Crochet have perspective on how other teams operate relative to the White Sox? They're glued to their phones more than we are. How could he know how the Red Sox operate, he's been there for a month. For how historic a landmark it is, the facilities at Fenway are obviously not better than SoxPark and Henry is objectively a bigger piece of s%*# than Reinsdorf is.

 

anyway, I think the thing to take away from this is that these are fundamentally criticisms directed toward Kenny and Hahn...and that Crochet is probably bitter that Getz didn't kowtow to his bizarre demand, even the getz haterz seemed to appreciate his hardball approach to that nonsense.

[Chimpton]

I know it is hard to hear ex-players trashing the organisation, and it does make them sound petty in a way, especially if it was a stepping stone to a big payday elsewhere, but it is noticeable that there aren't many ex-players saying how brilliant the White Sox organisation is or was.

Equally, when most/many on here, myself included, also criticise the lack of organisation at the White Sox it is churlish to then trash ex-players ourselves when they say out loud what many of us already think.

No one likes to hear bad things about the team they are a fan of, especially when that team is at a historic low point, and especially when it is coming from ex-players who earned millions from but didn't necessarily perform for the White Sox ( I am talking Lynn here not Crochet).

But until the whole organisation becomes less disfunctional and actually starts performing on the pitch we will probably hear more stories like this one.

[caulfield12]

It's not that big a deal.

Any player leaving the White Sox for the teams on the coasts that consistently draw 30,000+ per night might have that very same feeling.

Basically...our record is like that of a AAA team playing in the majors the last 2-3 seasons.

Or let's say an Athletics or Rays' player left those organizations for the Dodgers Mets Phillies Yankees...would probably express similar sentiments.

Heck, any AL Central player departing might feel the same.

 

 

[WestEddy]

8 hours ago, Tony said:

 

 

Thoughts, gents? 

Crochet said he was treated great by the White Sox. Yeah, they had a AAAA roster who were happy to be there. The Red Sox are competing for a title. Everything he said makes sense. The "I don't care if the guys traded for me work out" comment rubbed me the wrong way, but again, it didn't really sound like he excoriated the organization, as is being implied. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

24 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Crochet said he was treated great by the White Sox. Yeah, they had a AAAA roster who were happy to be there. The Red Sox are competing for a title. Everything he said makes sense. The "I don't care if the guys traded for me work out" comment rubbed me the wrong way, but again, it didn't really sound like he excoriated the organization, as is being implied. 

Weren't you crediting the White Sox for Crochets development into a starter? 

I mentioned it seemed unlikely given that it was off-season changes which are typically externally-driven. 

This quote tells you that Garrett's next step was done outside the Sox purview.

[Highland]

One thing about rebuilding: If a player shows some real ability, he will want to be paid. An organization can cheap its way through only for so long. I'd rather have Crochet on the team. His latest remarks don't concern me.

[Bob Sacamano]

14 minutes ago, Highland said:

One thing about rebuilding: If a player shows some real ability, he will want to be paid. An organization can cheap its way through only for so long. I'd rather have Crochet on the team. His latest remarks don't concern me.

Wait, so you’re saying it’s better to have Crochet for 2 years than possible (emphasis on possible) multiple good players for 6+?

[WestEddy]

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Weren't you crediting the White Sox for Crochets development into a starter? 

I mentioned it seemed unlikely given that it was off-season changes which are typically externally-driven. 

This quote tells you that Garrett's next step was done outside the Sox purview.

It's funny how some of you guys grasp at such BS straws to "prove" the canard that the White Sox had nothing to do with anything good that happened with their players in the organization. Most players have their own coaches, either ones they sought out at Driveline, or similar, or through their management agencies. Teams will coordinate with these outside coaches. 

I'm going to toss this nonsense on the growing pile of reasons to disregard your baseball acumen. This is right up there with your thought that GMs shouldn't solicit opinions from anybody in their employ who doesn't have "scout" written on their business card. 

Edited Saturday at 03:07 PM by WestEddy

[southsider2k5]

25 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

It's funny how some of you guys grasp as such BS straws to "prove" the canard that the White Sox had nothing to do with anything good that happened with their players in the organization. Most players have their own coaches, either ones they sought out at Driveline, or similar, or through their management agencies. Teams will coordinate with these outside coaches. 

I'm going to toss this nonsense on the growing pile of reasons to disregard your baseball acumen. This is right up there with your thought that GMs shouldn't solicit opinions from anybody in their employ who doesn't have "scout" written on their business card. 

This is wild after you spend all day, everyday, screaming that the Sox/Getz can't possibly be responsible for all of the bad things happening.  Great job disqualifying your own opinion.  Again.

[Bob Sacamano]

25 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

This is wild after you spend all day, everyday, screaming that the Sox/Getz can't possibly be responsible for all of the bad things happening.  Great job disqualifying your own opinion.  Again.

Everything is great if you ignore the 121 loss season and the start to this year!

[Snopek]

6 hours ago, Chimpton said:

No one likes to hear bad things about the team they are a fan of, especially when that team is at a historic low point

🙋‍♂️ I don’t mind it. They deserve it.

[GreenSox]

I'd have been more pissed off than I already was had Samardzija said after the trade "Yea, I really hope Chris Bassitt and Marcus Semien do well in Oakland; that's important to me."    Perhaps Merkin could not ask incompetent and irrelevant questions.  It's a roundabout way of asking  "Hey, Garret, say you still like the Whitesox.  Please."  Have some pride.

This whole situation is a win-win.  Boston gets an ace.  Crochet got his long term deal.  The Sox, 1 injury away from another Burdi situation, end up with 3 young highly-regraded POSITION prospects. 

[Highland]

2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Wait, so you’re saying it’s better to have Crochet for 2 years than possible (emphasis on possible) multiple good players for 6+?

No, what I am saying is when you have a player of unique talent, you should do what you can to keep him. I don't see the Sox having multiple good players right now. My main point is a franchise can cheap out to a winner. I say this realizing that long term deals to Moncada, Eloy, and Robert haven't worked out so well.

[Bob Sacamano]

1 hour ago, Highland said:

No, what I am saying is when you have a player of unique talent, you should do what you can to keep him. I don't see the Sox having multiple good players [/]right now. My main point is a franchise can cheap out to a winner. I say this realizing that long term deals to Moncada, Eloy, and Robert haven't worked out so well.

I meant specifically the possibility from trading Crochet (Teel, Montgomery, Meidroth)

Edited Saturday at 04:33 PM by Bob Sacamano

[Lip Man 1]

1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

I'd have been more pissed off than I already was had Samardzija said after the trade "Yea, I really hope Chris Bassitt and Marcus Semien do well in Oakland; that's important to me."    Perhaps Merkin could not ask incompetent and irrelevant questions.  It's a roundabout way of asking  "Hey, Garret, say you still like the Whitesox.  Please."  Have some pride.

This whole situation is a win-win.  Boston gets an ace.  Crochet got his long term deal.  The Sox, 1 injury away from another Burdi situation, end up with 3 young highly-regraded POSITION prospects. 

It wasn't Merkin doing the story but Steve Greenberg of the Sun-Times. 

[GreenSox]

11 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

It wasn't Merkin doing the story but Steve Greenberg of the Sun-Times. 

Thanks for the correction.  This is the rare situation from the last few years that should satisfy everyone.

[southsider2k5]

2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Everything is great if you ignore the 121 loss season and the start to this year!

[pcq]

What Sox articles you can get online are hardly worth reading. 

[The Mighty Mite]

I’m not sure how to feel about this as I believe a former employee probably shouldn’t knock his former employer as you never know what will happen down the road. That being said with the White Sox being what they have been the last 3 years we are in uncharted territory with the franchise in free fall and with an owner who deserves all the bad things that have been said about him as they are probably the most dysfunctional organization in pro sports and I’m sure just about any player can’t wait to be traded away from this mess.  

 

Edited Saturday at 08:09 PM by The Mighty Mite

[wegner]

Whatever. He got his payday so I would be pleased if he got shelled every game just because Red Sox fans are annoying as hell.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

Good. People need to not get so bent out of shape over every guy that leaves here and calls the organization out. That's a direct reflection of Jerry Reindsdorf and how he chooses to operate his team. The Sox are behind other teams. It's pretty obvious when you watch a Sox game and compare that on-field product it to around the league.