WestEddy

I've told you this multiple times. Have you not printed it out and had it framed, yet? Fletcher could be the strong half of a RF/CF platoon. He has hit at the major league level. If you say "small sample size", then I will submit Popeye's much larger sample size of AA PAs over 2 years that show him regressing as a hitter. Mena looks to be a back-of-the-rotation arm. The Sox have a good half dozen of those at the higher levels, and felt they could deal one to fill another area of need.

And Popeye isn't good enough to force his way onto the worst roster in baseball, right now. He regressed at AA, then when promoted, regressed more. Other teams passing on him is totally relevant. Because it's not just "bad roster management by Getz". The league holds Popeye in low regard. And we have better options on the 40-man in all regards you can imagine. Lenyn Sosa is much closer to being a major league utility infielder than Popeye is. Sosa is raking at AAA, and Popeye didn't cut it last year at AAA.

Leone helps more in the major league bullpen than Popeye does watching TV at his mom's house, right now. Or even more than Popeye struggling at AAA.

I'm not really sure why everyone is arguing Popeye vs. AAA relievers who got beat up by Norfolk. Relievers are fungible, and they only have 2-4 guys who can shuttle back and forth between AAA and MLB. A team doesn't go through utility infielders at the rate they go through bullpen arms. Why should I have a problem retaining a AAA bullpen arm over a guy who is stuck at AA and regressing?

Neither Remillard or Mendick need to be cut, as they're not on the 40-man. And I'm not sure why you keep saying that they could cut guys then resign them. I guess there are other options on the market equal to them. If you think both of them are "chaff", Popeye is worse. The end. Jose Rodriguez is also an easy cut. He tops out as a utility infielder who can't take a walk, and by the time he "developed", he'd be out of options, and have to be cut, anyway.

As I said elsewhere, your pitching staff has to get 27 outs. If Speas or Horn aren't even prepared to pick off 2 or 3 of those outs, what's the point? Horn was obtained for the same reason you want to keep Popeye on the 40-man. To develop. Josimer Cousin hired an agent who put a 40-man deadline into his contract. Getz added Grossman to get a bat into the lineup. One guy. Popeye wasn't pushing for a spot in the MLB lineup. He hadn't even shown up to his minor league assignment, yet. He took so long to get to AA detritus that Hahn panicked and put him on the 40-man. Then he regressed. Popeye tops out as a utility infielder who can't take a walk. He hit 270 at AA, I believe, and couldn't even clear a 300 OBP.

How does being able to understand why a move was made, and not becoming irrationally angry over it translate to being Chris Getz, or working for the White Sox? 9-10 worse teams took a pass on him. A bottom third minor league system took him, and he's their 28th best prospect on MLB.com. The Sox already have better options on the 40-man, and better options right behind him who are progressing in ways that Popeye wasn't.

You have Lenyn Sosa and Bryan Ramos already on the 40-man. Sosa does the same thing as JoseRod, but better. You then have Zach Remillard and Danny Mendick off the 40-man, who are pro players who can actually start in the majors for a week. Right behind JoseRod, you have Brooks Baldwin at AA, who actually looks like a much better utility infielder than JoseRod. The real problem with Jose Rodriguez is that it took him so long to develop, he had to be 40-manned well before he was even close to the majors. The big step backwards he took last year put him even farther away. For the guys saying to just throw Speas in the bullpen, you still have to get 27 outs. If Speas isn't even ready to pick off one or two of those outs, what exactly is the point of rostering him?

The Phillies are a bottom third system, and Rodriguez clocks in at 28.

Hi. I flipped back and forth between Sox/Royals and Iowa/UCONN. We'll figure it out. IL Robert, bring up Colas, platoon Fletcher and Grossman in CF. f*** it. Start Lee, start Sheets. Grifol has to get creative. Even Ozzie's wondering about sticking Benny in the 1-spot.

The Orioles have a scary major league lineup at AAA, so I'll wait for another series to pay attention to our pitching, there. But Charlotte has put up 30 runs in 4 games against Norfolk pitching.

Not a troll, just stating facts, but thanks for playing.

Robert, Burger and Cease aren't replacement level. It's funny that you think young players come through and develop themselves. But you seem to be having a different argument with the voices in your head. I'll let you get back to that.

Thanks for the laugh. Maybe one day, somebody will explain the term "self-awareness" to you.

Chris Getz was not in charge of scouting, drafting, or signing players. Development. They developed a weird strategy of punting the 3-10 picks to pool up money to go after high school kids in the later rounds. So, yeah, I guess that's 8 mediocre seniors he didn't develop properly every year. Yeah, I scratch my head over all of that. I mean, they were all baseball players. And some of the late round guys should have popped. The 2018 draft - they had 10 guys from up and down the draft eventually make the majors. As opposed to, like, 1. I'm not waving anything away. It's the people who are denying that Getz had anything to do with guys who developed during his tenure. That's just silly. Zack Collins. There's a failure. They drafted a kid with a hitch in his swing, and they couldn't fix it. Jimmy Lambert, Zach Remillard and Matt Foster came out of the later rounds of that draft. No, they're not All-Stars, but they were developed, and did have some use when they played. You're reading them as pure propaganda because I won't engage in the wild denial of reality the naysayers engage in, here.

It's like everybody has this dialog going on in their head, where the words on the screen are screaming at them that they must never question the White Sox or Chris Getz, and blaming me for those voices. LOL. If Chris Getz was such a failure with player development, you could point to clear development failures. You wouldn't have to disallow all of the actual successes from the conversation and come up with strange reasons why the director of player development had nothing to do with the development of players who were in the system during his leadership. Except all the guys who didn't become major leaguers. He developed them. Or didn't. I'll be around if anybody wants to discuss this rationally and unemotionally.

Who cares? People are claiming the director of player development had nothing to do with the success enjoyed by the players who came through the minors when he was director. But decades of failure are all his fault. All I'm defending is fact, itself. I'm not trying to make anybody like Getz, say he's good at his job or anything, really. It's beyond crazy that a person could state a simple fact, like, "well, some good players did come through the system under Getz", and everybody's heads explode, because that's not negative enough for their tender feelings.

I'm not even defending the organization or Getz. That's the funniest part. Nobody's asking for "the benefit of the doubt". All I'm arguing are simple facts. This is such an echo chamber of negativity that I could say today is Thursday, and everyone will start accusing me of being Reinsdorf's pet. Y'all dig in and argue the simplest facts. Expecting a player to become an impact player does not mean he wasn't "developed". A GM promoting a starting pitcher and sticking him in the bullpen isn't a failure on the player development guy. I'm not sure what you're entertained by. I guess reading people stating simple facts, and you feeling compelled to argue against logic can be funny, but only if you can laugh at yourself.

I'm not sure how any of this disproves that the list of names I provided, who all came through the minors on Getz's watch, can have their development credited to the guy in charge.

The person asked which players Getz, as director of player development, could "get credit" for. I'm not sure what your argument would be. Did Burger's wife manage a minor league team and throw him batting practice? It's funny when people play the, "I will not agree to any facts." game. "The White Sox don't even play baseball on Earth! There!"

Cease, Burger, Robert, Davis Martin, Crochet, Madrigal, Sheets, Jimmy Lambert, Zach Remillard, Rey Lopez, Giolito, Jimenez, Yoan, Kopech, Cristian Mena, Lenyn Sosa.

I agree with you. But in discussing it, I get put off by, "Getz hasn't developed anybody. Except the guys he developed, but they don't count, because reasons."

DeJong and Lopez are stability. Given the chance, either can put up 1.5-2 bWAR behind the pitching staff you're trying to develop. I dig Lenyn Sosa, and wanted him starting 2B, and he gave us negative WAR last year, he was so lost. I think we have 4-5 guys like Rodriguez at AAA and AA.

I, too, am finding Fletcher frustrating, and I'm hoping he can get on a little bit of a roll sometime soon. But it happens. Trades don't work out. It it starts to happen that NO trades are working out, like Rick Hahn's luck, then I'll start to believe that they're not taking the advice of their scouts, or they're using MLB's prospect rankings or something stupid like that. Our minor league system sucks, not because really good prospects are being misled into bad habits that ruin their talent, but because we have a bunch of one good tool guys who we're waiting on to look like the guy from 3 years ago. And I think Jose Rodriguez is one of those guys. He hits, he just doesn't light it up. It's nice he's good at multiple positions. Not having prospects doesn't mean we have to hang onto non-prospects. The Athletic, Keith Law, SoxMachine, Twitter journalists/bloggers I follow - that was their reaction. A little light, but if this guy develops, look out. I like SoxTalk (as you can tell from how much time I'm here), but I do think it's a bit of a negative echo chamber, as is a lot of White Sox Twitter and other blogs.