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I think the guy they sent to Houston would be more annoying. Rookie bullpen arm they immediately had start and looked ... competent.

Why does it need to be cutting edge? Why can't somebody pounding some fundamentals into JR's skull be "cutting edge"?

My post conveys my feeling that I'm tired of posting Getz's successes, because the top players who made the bigs developed themselves, whereas the ones who failed, failed because of Chris Getz. That doesn't make sense to me. That's why I argue. These guys forsook an advanced metrics department, took years to think about hitting and pitching labs. Housing, nutrition and sleep monitoring were an afterthought. I'm really befuddled why everyone is expending so much energy to pin all of this in Chris Getz. Yes, he was part of the previous regime. No, he didn't quit. Sure, maybe he shrugged his shoulders and kept notes. I don't want all the perpetrators to burn in the fiery cauldrons of hell. If Getz is bringing in competent people to get s%*# in order, I'm all for it. I'm 61. I've got 20-25 more years of baseball fandom in me. I'm not going to spend it furious that the guy making good changes didn't earn his job.

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I'm guessing the AAA pitchers liked working with him, and they realized they were cutting Maldonado and promoting some of those pitchers. He's a guy. I can certainly see keeping the status quo and letting people work with familiar catchers in a lost season.

Thaiss has no options remaining, so he makes the team out of spring training, or he takes a walk through waivers.

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Yeah, reminiscent of Brett Hull wanting to come to the Hawks. I guess, like Dick Allen said below, I'm just not sick of it, yet. I used to be a Bears' fan. Watched every game. Listened to sports radio all the time in the car. I just got sick of being angry, and stopped paying attention. Maybe I'll get there with the Sox, at some point. I just don't hang around Bears' boards and jump on the people liking on the team.

Yeah, when somebody calls me a dunce and other names for making note that the Sox are being mentioned as a team "in" on Sasaki, it's not "crying" to push back. When somebody regularly mocks a single comment made back in spring training to end every convo, it's not "crying" to find a comment of his and push back with it. If you don't like commenters pushing back on rude behavior, I'm not sure why you're a mod and subject yourself to all this "crying" on a daily basis.

I don't see people being criticized for "being skeptical". I see people criticized for turning every move into multiple "Chris Getz is in over his head, he sucks" posts every day. I see a couple mods criticized for mocking people who want to evaluate moves on face value, not based on "the guy making them didn't deserve his job, so they must suck". I don't feel like I defend Getz. I root for a team. I really want to see if Fletcher grows into a 4th OF who can hit. Getz was made GM 16 months ago. It's been litigated.

Dude, there's 3-4 mods here who turn every single string into an "Everything Chris Getz has ever done in his life failed" string. Then you blame us trying to make sense of or correct the obvious BS. Now you're going to drag out this string arguing that people saying something won't happen, aren't actually saying that something won't happen. I guess that's a desperate way to pad out these posts and look busy. You're right. Because the White Sox lost an historic number of games last year, all the dour folks get to make up their own facts, lie about what they said, and call those of us not joining in names. Again, just be honest about it. Stop gaslighting.

The multiple quote button is hidden under an ad banner, so I just cut and paste: No, Balta, these people aren't saying, "I'll believe it when I see it". They are pretty much saying "everything will fail". I don't care if you believe that everything will fail. I don't care if y'all want it to. But you people say things, lie about it, and then accuse the people trying to make sense out of your gaslighting of being bootlickers and sycophants. Now go ahead and accuse me of calling you names, secretly wanting to make passionate love to Chris Getz, all while actually being Chris Getz. Oh, and say that everybody gets to call us names, and lie about our motivations because their baseball team has been bad. Jesus, grow up and stop lying, already.

Teams generally don't grant permission for another team to interview their personnel for lateral hires. They only grant permission for positions that would be a promotion. Teams don't generally hire a GM to run their player development to prove he's had success doing it before.

Was always rooting for a win from the farm system.

Or he'll go the Dylan Cease route - he'll rake for a few weeks in ST, then somebody's CF will get injured.

Fair enough.

You should probably learn the definition of "literally".

It's been pretty widely speculated that the As are spending to hold off a grievance. I'm not sure how that hurts the White Sox.

A person here was blaming Getz for the bad draft picks and international signings while he was head of player development. I'm not sure why I need to enter bizarro world, and start agreeing that something which is demonstrably wrong, is now right, just because. Actually being right and sticking with it is working out just fine for me.

That's part of what I'm implying. Maybe not busts, but a guy like Konnor Pilkington, junk-balling lefty. Nothing really to develop. He was seen as a high floor college guy, kind of like Cannon. Cleveland wanted him, then couldn't do anything with him.

You calling it circular logic doesn't make it so. You're not making any assertions beyond any I make are ridiculous. I really don't know what your point is. If you have one, it would be helpful if you made it. Getz was director of development for 3 years. I've taken the time and laid out the top 3 draft picks from around his tenure. Please tell me where I'm wrong instead of pretending to be floored by the insane stupidity of someone disagreeing with you.

Why do I need to cite success stories? The guys who made it to the major leagues and had any success, somehow, developed himself, whereas, the guys who were drafted with serious flaws, or were 1 dimensional players, those are his failures. He's GM. I'm not sure why you guys keep needing to have this argument. But here's a case in point. Hostetler was demoted or kicked upstairs. He was removed from running the draft. That's clearly a situation where KW/Hahn thought he wasn't doing his job, and they promoted/hired Shirley. Yet Getz was promoted to Asst. GM. So that tells me that the higher ups weren't begging Getz to do his job while he played Tetris on his phone all day every day. They had the capacity to get rid of somebody who underperformed and replaced him with somebody much better. If Getz was f*cking up, so counter to KW/Hahn's expectations, why didn't they remove him? I don't care if "fans believe he's the right guy to oversee" the Sox. He is overseeing the Sox. He has the job. I don't understand why I have to believe nonsense arguments about his constant failing and ruining every single prospect, personally, that came through the system. By your logic, if a person working in a system doesn't get what he wants, he needs to quit at the earliest possible time. That's ludicrous.

Chris Getz isn't blaming anybody. I believe the Sox' structure was such that higher ups were picking managers and coaches based on friendships and nepotism. They were so behind the game that sure, if they got a good 1st round pick, the guy could almost develop himself. I'm not claiming he was a good "leader". But he does seem to have communicated the dysfunction to JR in such a way that he was the last man standing, and was handed the keys. I wasn't rooting for him to be GM. I was actually disappointed, too. But he is GM, and I can either root for his moves to work, or b**** about every single one before it's made. I choose the latter. Thanks for explaining your rationale. I do appreciate that. EDIT*** oops. I choose the former.

Still, you're mocking me for listing out the first 3 picks of each draft around Getz's tenure as director. Which of those players did he not oversee the proper development of? Did he step in and tell coaches to coach him wrong? If nobody had iPads to look up trends and stats on who they're facing, the rest of the league was already ahead of them. If they weren't investing in sleep and nutrition management, they were behind the rest of the league. One of the mods, here is mocking me for suggesting that a previous leadership group shot down new strategies (which had often been suggested by many "insiders"), and Getz got what he wanted by just "asking for it, LOL". Which, yeah, that's how it happens. The GM tells the owner that even though we didn't do this before, we have to. And then the owner okays it. Anyway, did Getz personally rush Madrigal, Crochet and Vaughn? No, the GM or VP did. Did Getz teach Eloy, Yoan, Robert, and Burger that it's better to get injured and not play? I don't think so.