WestEddy

If I'm a "rah-rah" type, I generally accept that the Cease trade was a bit short, and the rest of his trades range from inconsequential to good. Your portrayal is that everything before the Crochet trade proved that Getz is a horrible GM, which you need to post multiple times a day, across the entire site. I believe the jury's out on Getz, and he's growing in his job. I don't care about a single trade of Matt Thompson for Bailey Horn. I do care that Getz is redoing scouting, development, stats analysis, ML coaching, hitting and pitching coordination. I think that's way more important than if he waived Jake Cousins too soon.

I understand you're commenting on the tweet. I don't think Hostetler was very good at his job, even when the higher ups weren't bum rushing the war room to make his picks for him. They wouldn't commit to investing in development, so all avenues were doomed to failure beyond the rare guy who just willed himself into being a slightly better than average utility guy. I can only assume (and hope) that the guy who was smack in the middle of that, and fought those battles is updating the organization appropriately. The fact the the last rebuild conducted by a different regime - failed - doesn't mean that this one is doomed to fail. I like watching a rebuild progress. It's all we have right now.

More like 12 minutes. I agree that KW probably didn't see the value in a full investment in development, so he never went to bat with JR for it. If you're an accountant, and the boss won't let you use computers, or even calculators, it's unfair to say all the failures of that company are because of the new accountant. I'm pretty sure Getz didn't get the job, and forbid the use of statistical data or even iPads. Seeing how he's conducted his rebuild of the infrastructure, he's probably been banging his head against the wall for years trying to get these things done.

I actually don't consider you a detractor. Nobody's asking for detractors to be "rah-rah...". Lazy arguments are exhausting. I guess they're meant to be.

Old friend alert

No. Disagreeing with a path doesn't make it illogical.

I was just throwing names against the wall in suggesting a trade of Cannon. But If Cannon, Thorpe, Martin and Burke click, now you're starting to get a glut of pitching. That's the situation the Mariners find themselves in. The market for pitching is crazy, so they might deal from their surplus to restock the minors.

I think I've seen that asked in various chats. The answer always seems to be that if MLB got whiff of a prior deal, they would void it and probably issue penalties on the team. If Sasaki pitched one full year, won the ROY, CY and MVP awards, and the team then decided to issue him a deal that looked like a normal deal that hiked him up from the league minimum, following an arb path, then maybe a payoff for a couple of years after scheduled free agency, that would fly. If he did okay, then they dropped a 10/300 on him, that probably wouldn't.

Okay, I'm mixed up. Here's an article at MLB.com that explains the PPI draft picks. https://www.mlb.com/news/prospect-performance-incentive-ppi-eligible-players

I don't think players from professional Asian leagues qualify for the extra draft pick.

Wait, does it? ROY gives him a full year if he came up after OD, I think. I don't think ROY wipes out a year of control.

Yeah, just tossing up everything I see online. It's tough coming down from the Crochet trade high.

I think trading Robert is a priority, as well as moving Benintendi's salary. I would like to see more Robert smoke, tho.

Of course. Nobody would take the gamble of treating Cannon like an established starter, but of the bunch, Cannon has the highest floor, and sure looks like a stable innings-eater. Like Balta implies, Schultz could move somebody out of the rotation as soon as June.

Jonathan Cannon is probably marketable, right now. A team like the Mets gave 30 starts to some rickety dudes last season, and now they're down 3 starters.

Quite the hit piece. Chris Getz looks like a dynamic, visionary "open-door GM" compared to this view of Elias.

The Mets need about 4 starting pitchers, yet. I could see them hanging onto Sproat.

Wasn't it Sasaki whose agent said that a smaller market team could wind up with him because he's looking for more of a soft landing in MLB than being "the man" in NYC or LA? I think if the Sox were serious about him, they could certainly make a credible push for Sasaki.

Sounds like a Red Sox fan desperately trying to cope.

That's what made the Cleveland teams of the 90s so potent. Every player in their lineup was an OBP monster.

Cease is a solid pitcher. Ace? You're grasping. The return for Cease was fine. Some called it a little light, but the timing probably had more to do with that.