WestEddy

And it's not just "Soto-type deals" that will dig us out of the current situation. It's creating a pipeline of talent that can be supplemented.

I can see Dick Allen not impressing as a HOF player. His career was shortened by wear and tear. His 1972 was one of the great seasons. He came 6 hits from winning the triple crown. One squib single every 3 weeks.

Dude, you said that "basically everyone" that comes out of the minor league system has attitude problems. Now you're tapdancing. You named four guys, one who is immature (Anderson), one a head case (Kopech), I have no idea how Rodon is a clubhouse cancer, and Colas. That seems far short of "basically everyone", but hey, keep going. This is getting funnier.

And Chris Getz made him annoying. He also makes bread go moldy. I guess Chris Getz must be doing a great job, now, if we have to make up BS to blame him for. LOL.

There's a summary of reporting in this post. https://www.redlegnation.com/2024/12/08/cincinnati-reds-trade-rumors-are-circling-before-the-winter-meetings/

This is ridiculous.

But we are talking about drafting and developing right now. The Yankees don't purposefully draft badly, then refrain from developing their prospects because they know they'll just shell out money for free agents. That's absurd. Your assertions were that draft picks made over a decade ago have direct bearing on how our current front office and player development setup do their jobs. "Historically" doesn't matter. I picked a team that has "historically" had the ever lovin' feces hyped out of their farm system, and their players failed, probably at the same rate as everyone else's. The Sox have made big changes in personnel, resources and approach to their minor league system. Whether it works or not remains to be seen. It's lazy to keep falling back on "dumpster diving" or pretending that Chris Getz has always been the White Sox GM. If prospect development doesn't matter to you, then I don't see why you keep clocking in on how bad the current 16 month old regime is so bad at it, especially when you only argue about a guy drafted 7 years ago.

I hope this is how Getz envisions "forcing Benintendi into a Crochet deal". I could deal with foregoing a lesser piece if the return is 2 awesome prospects and taking on $9 million net Benintendi. I still don't think there should be any urgency to get rid of Benny's contract beyond freeing up LF for prospect churn.

I do remember Jay-Gone being the best hitter on the board at the time of the pick, albeit with the lowest ceiling. Point taken.

You should probably follow the discussion. "You disagreeing with me means you love Chris Getz and are his burner account" strawmen are silly.

All prospects in the game are hyped. Most don't pan out. The White Sox don't have to prove it to you. They just need to prove it to teams they might trade with. And at this point, I'd guess that any team would jump at a trade package put together from the White Sox' top ten. Wait and see all you want. But Dony Lucy, Brent Knackert and Mike Colbern don't have any real salience in the discussion. Look at teams like the Yankees. They're about as bad at the 2nd round as the White Sox are. And guys like Nick Solak and Austin Romine had the sh*t hyped out of them. I suppose you can go tell Yankee fans that their 2nd round picks are all garbage because "historically", the Yanks are bad at that.

Why don't you look at the comment you responded to where he puts the exact sentence in quotes? And again, I have no idea what "criticizing" the White Sox has to do with poking fun at a new poster. Nobody claimed the White Sox are beyond criticism. I sure hope you find that guy who said that and give him whatfor.

No, it isn't valid. Historically? Like, when Shirley announces his first round pick, he prefaces it with, "Because we've always picked bad players, the Chicago White Sox must select......My Daughter!!!!" That's silly and irrelevant. The only history that applies is 2020 and forward. I get it. You hate Chris Getz. And your whole shtick is that there is nothing the White Sox can do that works, or has any modicum of success. The people who would barge into the war room and make the first round selection are gone, now. So unless you're implying that Kenny Williams still walks in and takes over their 1st round picks, your "historically" argument doesn't apply. Your contribution to this thread began with dredging up a 2nd round pick from 7 years ago. Made by a different scouting team, under a different GM and VP. Then you declared that we don't get to consider Grant Taylor as a possible success until he's had success in the majors. Please tell us what bearing the picks of Jake Petricka and Erik Johnson have on Grant Taylor coming back from injury, and dominating like his pedigree and small sample in A-ball suggest.

How is it that mocking a commenter turns into "criticizing the team"? SS2k5 clearly made fun of the title dude for no real reason. Criticize the team all you want. Picking on some dude who just made his first post isn't "criticizing the team".

For the same reason that every first time home buyer is soiling themselves at closing, but in 3 years, those mortgage payments don't hurt so bad anymore. They make more money, and inflation has pushed the cost of a new home higher than when they purchased.

That's not valid. Most teams don't have stellar records drafting and developing 2nd rounders because every team uses the 2nd round differently. One might hit the jackpot on Josh Bell, but still "suck" at the process. One goal is to be recognized as being able to identify and develop prospects. That becomes its own currency. San Diego has traded entire lineups of prospects that never seem to have sustained success in the majors. But they create value in amassing young players who seem to dominate their levels. The fact the White Sox have been able to turn late first rounders into top 20 in the game prospects is a success in itself. We don't need Colson Montgomery to become a Hall-of-Famer and for the curmudgeons to admit the Sox knew what they were doing - to be developing prospects. While he may have lost a bit of his shine, Monty would still head up a pretty strong package in a trade. In another year, Blake Larson and a healthy Grant Taylor would be highly sought after pitching prospects. Hostetler didn't have many good drafts. Maybe one. Too much meddling from above? Too much trying to be clever by half? Shirley seems to have a better plan, and a better grasp of what the Sox can do with the guys they pick. Correcting major flaws in guys like Alec Hansen, Zach Collins and Tyler Danish wasn't their forte. But bringing ace pitchers back from TJS at the nadir of their value looks like an easy win.

Sancho Panza is never too far behind.

Finding outliers doesn't mean we can apply their unique abilities to every single baseball player. Whoever winds up servicing the last 5 years of Soto's mega deal would be delirious to get 2 slightly better than average seasons in that span out of their full time DH.

Juan Soto will not be "effective" in 2040. Two of the greatest hitters of our time, Miguel Cabrera and Albert Pujols - the last half dozen years of their multi-year deals were under water, with their teams stowing them at DH for negative value. Harper and Machado are settling in to their 2-5 WAR careers, now, giving back value on defense, or moving to less challenging positions. 2-3 of Soto's initial great years will be spent toiling on losing teams. Then you'll have a LF for 3-6 seasons, giving you anywhere between 2-5 WAR. That's a great player to have, but if we can't develop that for somewhere less than $700 million, then I need to pick another sport to waste my time on.

Great, now everybody gets to delay to the opening of Spring Training on the hope that Sasaki wants their $7 million over everyone else's.

And that window to cut an extension with the player is more about the player waiving a no-trade clause.

We all talked about this in the summer. Why would Crochet sign a reasonably priced extension? I could see getting one extra year to guarantee the arb years, and 3/$45 would probably be cheap. All he has to do is wait his 2 seasons, stay healthy, and he's in the money. His concern about the extension was mostly about last year, throwing starter innings for the first time, then being relied upon to pitch well into the playoffs.